and yeah, surprisingly, brussels actually wants to continue the war. i guess this is the main signal mates today by um you case prime and is the summer box on the other ends to europe. teams are still very hesitant when it comes to do some military ambitions. same space that's they're not ready to send troops to ukraine. unless they are supported by the united states of america. so i guess that's the current um, well ref rick, by the european union which is not face, which is not affected by hot power, is just that i'm mc reference. and i guess that's this um, recent incident in the white house between um, so landscape and um donald trump will um, finally leads to a diplomatic um, solution of this war since the europeans and the global is 12 longer, it's our streaming leaf, i'm electing um, the most important aspects through continue this insane war military power. now, the british prime minister said that he has agreed with friends and all those to double down and supporting key of. and he and now they're not the been going to have for the last get to

and indeed, it is important to look at the comments at the language from brussels thus far.nd it is actually leading to suggest that there will be concrete announcements. so that's an important one. the second discussion on thursday is going to be on concrete support for ukraine. what sort of security guarantees can the europeans give to ukraine in the short term? that could also lead to the end of the war. again, president zelenskyy has been invited. let's see what he's also going to tell to european leaders. but there's no doubt, juliana, a sense of urgency here. the europeans have realized that they need to do more. they they have said that repeatedly. and at this stage, it does seem that we are moving toward some sort of concrete announcements on that front, particularly on financing. let's see what they're going to say. i'll just make one final point here that the president of european commission, ursula von der leyen, is expected to publish a letter early this week. one official suggested that could happen as early as today. exactly. giving the leaders a bit of a roadm

the other place i went to before the munich security conference was brussels. i spent three days running around nato and the european commission. and i think -- before i get to that, i want to perhaps say something slightly more personal because, like you, i was a reporter for a long time and my time as a reporter began after the fall of the wall. because i had trained as a human rights lawyer people said the balkans, afghanistan. i spent a lot of time covering war crimes and i am angry every time i read about russian bombardments of ukraine. i wake up angry every bloody morning and go to bed angry about this. this is not ok. and i think i can tell you that many of my fellow europeans and people in my field feel the same way, a visceral, profound anger at russia. there is no going back for my generation to a comfy relationship with russia that goes over the head of a country that is attacked every day. i want to make that clear. i want to say, anastasiia, if we are fair, some of those air defenses protecting kyiv right now are danish and german and -- anastasii

i think now the important thing is what happens not so much in washington or brussels, but what happens in care of to george gun maybe the last minute go ahead. well, and i guess that's a very good question. what happens again my, my a reading is that they probably will try to make a bands because the consequences of america cutting off the ukraine would have the very, very dia for ukraine. it was suddenly that it cannot survive and the consequences of removing the landscape. then you have a festival, the question of who you're going to replace. and when you can just simply take him out and put in the allusion, the, i mean there's low cost additional mechanism board the board that have the, you know, they've, let's say, so all of them of the ukraine itself could just collapse if they tried to remove the, and this is, this is what happened is the country becomes, you know, a completely own subsidiary of washington and brussels. okay. they don't usually think about plan be very much because plan a was a bad idea in the 1st place. anyway, gentlemen, we're going to reconvene next week. we'l

u summit coming up, taking place in brussels. the, the talking about bull money from europe for defense spending, ocean level design, president of the european commission said that was now a priority. but all ready, all the going to get any conclusions from that think something's on the state in brussels because victor over the prime minister hungry says he's not prepared to have any written conclusions from the 27th you members from that somebody's. and i think so back it is likely to take a similar position up to hungry. so a lack of unity in your to. so a plan put on lots of doubts surrounding that plan in tennessee is stomach also spoke about donald trump and the us. and he said that i do not accept of the us as an unreliable ally feel. so we don't to say that he thinks that he can get a positive outcome from the united states with this plan. how important is it that he does actually do that? then he gets what he wants here and is able to sell this to donald trump. the well, i've been, i think he is like, oh, of the european

and another one on the 1st day of european leaders is taking place in brussels. okay, what is central to these discussions are obviously the security guarantees for you crying? we hits domiciled this is a once in a generation mine and it can you just explain, give us a bit of context here about exactly what is at stake. yeah. well, the central idea that is being sold about for some time and talks to file is this deal for a cranes, minerals, and then deal with the c solve backs by security guarantees with problems. and the u. k. floating the idea that it might send troops if that was a back stop of the as i say, of support from the us. but that would require those countries and you trying to trust to us. and there's not a lot of trust around at the moment. certainly, it's an idea that the russians really don't want that idea of western troops on the ground in ukraine. this was the russian foreign minister. so good luck, ralph. speaking in moscow recently to most of the social cost of the end of biden's term in office. there's a new team now that guided by common s

now the important thing is what happens not so much in washington or brussels, but what happens in care of the george gun maybe the last minute. go ahead. well, and i guess that's a very good question. what happens again my, my reading is that they probably will try to make a bands because the consequences of america cutting off the ukraine would be the very, very dia for ukraine or suddenly it cannot survive. and the consequences of removing the landscape. then you have a possible the question of who you're going to replace. and when you can't just simply thank your mouth and put in the allusion, the, i mean this low cost additional mechanism board, the board that have the, you know, they mostly. so all the, the, you create itself could just collapse if they tried to remove the, and this is, this was like what happened is the country becomes, you know, a completely own subsidiary of washington and brussels. okay. they don't usually think about plan be very much because plan a was a bad idea in the 1st place. anyway gentlemen, we're going to reconvene next week. we'll see if anybody's s

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excited to unveil a package that excited to unveil a defense package that also includes ukraine and brusselsmany questions. for one, how much assistance will they give? what weapons and potentially troop deployment if any? and, whether it will all be enough to counter russia, and john, possibly without the united states. >> john: ramy inocencio for us. thank you so much, ramy. >> reporter: you bet. >> john: the reshaping of the u.s. j justice department continues, with more career prosecutors being fired or moved out of long-held positions. cbs news has learned nearly a dozen senior prosecutors who handled january 6th related cases were demoted last week. the move was at the direction of the acting u.s. attorney in d.c., ed martin. justice department correspondent scott macfarlane joins me now. what was the reason for these motions that was given? >> reporter: ed martin has made the argument on social media that echoes the claim from donald trump, that he believed the justice department is weaponized in previous years against political foes of donald trump's, and was not focused enough on re

a defense package is set to be announced by eu leaders in brussels.pen questions, jericka, how much assistance, what kind of ammunition and weapons might be announced and whether it will all be enough to counter russia and possibly without the united states. >> ramy inocencio, thank you. >>> back here in the united states, new polling from cbs news finds most americans support ukraine in its war with russia. 52%, in fact. 44% say they support neither country. cbs's willie james enman is in west palm beach tonight with new details on where the trump administration stands at this hour. willie? >> reporter: good evening to you, jericka. secretary of state marco rubio says the u.s. and ukraine need a reset. after the oval office dressing down seen around the world is still sending shock waves through washington and beyond. treasury secretary scott bessent says the economic deal that president trump wanted president zelenskyy to sign is no longer on the table. >> what's the use in having an economic agreement that's going to be rendered moot if he wants th

we're joining us now from brussels. is natal spouse. he is director and senior economist at the european center of international political economy. good to have you with us again because the incoming government certainly has a lot on it's plates. what should its priorities be? economically speaking? well, the city you is in the driving seat and you know, having a coalition negotiation with the social democrats, much of what it will be suggesting real, strongly rely on his agenda 20 for t which for sees text cuts. it cuts um a good next ation of pre roll chrissy. a few tweaks here and there is concerns the single market and it will be very challenging to press through these, the monster with his own democrats in my eyes. we should not so much talk about the medication of the depth rate, but really as to why for cold, potentially unprecedented reforms. the meaning dad's structural reforms should be set on the very up on the priority list of reforms takes costs for workers, takes cards for businesses, reduction, social security contributio

at a special you defense stomach taking place in brussels. you're some of all of a report on the criminal comments from last good. according to demetrius best called criminal spokesman, these pumps, with donald trump and the g bonds in the white house, shows the landscape, lack of diplomatic scales. the incident also demonstrated how difficult it will be to guess on the pulse to resolving the conflict. commenting on the latest summit in london, a pass code said that statements on increased funding to create a new and a peaceful settlement of russia has many times said that it has against any west and peace keepers on the ground and ukraine. so for russia to will be a clear sign of nato expansion, if that happens, and according to most of this has something is fighting for now in order to prevent it from happening. also, russia is not going to make any territorial concessions. all the lines it's taking it says will remain under his control. and we know ukraine is not going to give up those lines either. so if the scope has said that the landsc

c in recent weeks has been pushing for peace. brussels has been pushing for maximum pressure, talking about twisting defense spending potentially even putting boots on the ground. that kind of cool specifics really then poses a very big question about the future of nato. because why do you go as an organization when there was such an ideological divide between its members? i'm from previous no going to back down because he spoke to the landscape like that off to a hosting 1st micro installment in the white office. so that bids and requests the undying continue loyalty to key up and potentially even sending a piece keeping commission fast, fell on deaf ears. so what we saw in the oval office it as much signals, the demise of your at lunch system as it does the demise of the landscape, the golden boy status. yeah, and he says he earlier, you mentioned the rest of minerals and we know that sort of went that from that deal. what happened to that too? but it looks to be that in the world to me, they be hanging out the details of that deal for weeks. and finally, we got to a point where was

well known to everybody towing that line and coming out from brussels, we heard from the prime minister of hungry victim, open saying, strong men make peace, weak men make rule. and then saying that trump stood bravely for peace. a so reaction coming for one full more russian president. this is to meet you made with dave who said that this was a brutal dressing down essentially for the landscape. i think the question now that many need to be asking is what this means for us. you repeat and relations for the future, because this is a massive breakdown of that could cause a huge problem for nato in the future. let's not forget, since harry truman assigned in 1949 that agreement to the century and a tackle what nato ally would be an attack on all. and they would come to the defense. there is now a big question as to whether that european secure to come and be guaranteed by the americans for the future because essentially trumpets things. you know what guys you don't want piece. i want nothing more to do for you. so really a lot of thing does not, it may have come out and supports all the s

there is on told, among those around the table here and in brussels, that nato could send the president, trump might even decide to pull back some of the forces that he in europe. remember, a 10000 us troops that off to the invasion of, i'll offer you credit by russia 3 years ago. the numbers were wrapped, wrapped up to 10000 us troops in poland. if president trump was to pull those out, which neg tote, country, which you are repeating country would pick up the slack because as so serious questions going forward about how europe could act on its own. but it is seriously, it's clear to me considering acting on it. so let's see the title of this event securing a seat shotwell for so many years since the 2nd mobile, which ended a 2 years ago, the central color of defense of europe has been the fact that the us is prepared to intervene, prepared to come and support the rest of europe, that's the foundation of the, the north atlantic treaty of nato, the north atlantic treaty organization, solid and in, in, in washington, dc. what all of that is in doubt right now. and of course the, the doub

and especially you defense summit taking place in brussels. you know shop yvonne of reports on the president's comments from musk. i'm according to dimitra best coke remnants folks on these pots with donald trump and the g bonds in the white house shows the landscape a lack of diplomatic skills. the incident also demonstrated how difficult it will be to get to on the policy to resolving the conflict. commenting on the latest summit in london, a pass code said that statements on increased funding to create a new aimed at peaceful supplement of russia has many times said that it has a gains, and it was some peacekeepers on the ground and ukraine. so for russia, it will be a clear sign of nato expansion. if that happens, and according to mosca, this is something is fighting for now in order to prevent it from happening. also, russia is not going to make any territorial concessions. all the lines it's taken, it says, will remain under his control. and we know ukraine is not going to give up those lines either. so if it's cold has said that the lan

while he's busy being everyone's favorite side chicken, brussels, or this time in london, you simultaneously totally trump. he will side of the deal in dc zalinski made a big fuss about diplomacy, not being the solution, but when has he actually tried it? former german chancellor aguilar merkel and former french presidents also known the flat out admitted in the past. the mesa chords were just the stalling tactics, so nato could turn you crazy border into a weapons depot. so trump throws out a really novel idea here. diplomacy not as a pretext for gearing up for war, but actually for peace, totally wild new concepts, right? and these guys are like, no, uh, we lives with these idea of shooting our way through to police because yeah, that's totally work. well, so far so the you were saying, we'll stick with that thanks. meanwhile, from london, zalinski says that all he ever needed from trunk were uh, secure to guarantees, like he's complaining about the pre op. now after going full on one or a bride in washington. um, but hey, what did they actually take? the minerals deal with the us was if n

british prime minister, is imagining as a leading figure head perhaps a bridge between washington and brussels. and even a piece may cut between donald trump to have an follow to me as a lens key on the back of his own very successful visit to the white house on that day. which was a cool deal that we're very room was that even though he didn't know to secure the security guarantees from the us for ukraine, which was one of his goals that thank you so much for all of that. no doubt we, we will be talking to you in the next little while, when i kissed, i'm a meets with zalinski. thank you so much. i the, the what's the size of the goal is to say 5 is the ending with no talks taking place about the next stage. that leaves the future in dallas and palestinians across the strip in limbo says it rejects what it's described as, as well as formulation to extend phase one. but some of in jeff i looked at the stumbling blocks in the negotiations. oh funeral instead of celebrations much much, but we did cease applying for many palestinians, then began the journey home. long lines of men, women, and chil

which has been deepening by the day because, well, d, c in recent weeks has been pushing for peace. brussels has been pushing for maximum pressure, talking about 1st thing defense spending potentially even putting boots on the ground. that kind of cool specifics really then poses a very big question about the future of nato. because why do you go as an organization when there was stop, general idea, a logical divide between its members. and trump pretty is not going to back down because he spoke to the lensky like stopped off the hosting. so smart cro on stomach in the white office. so that bids and requests and die and continued loyalty to key up and potentially even sending a peace keeping commission fast fell on deaf ears. so what we saw in the oval office it as much signals, the demise of your lunch system, as it does the demise of the landscape, the golden boy status. yeah, and he says he earlier, you mentioned the rest of minerals and we know that as people went there for vac deal. well how much did i do? well, looks to be that in the world to me, they've been hashing out the details o

while he's busy being everyone's favorite side chicken, brussels, or this time in london, he's simultaneously totally trump. he will sign the deal, but here is care star, i guess a bit slow on the uptake ear to throw british troops into the next. just so, you know, as long as the us holds its hands while they're there, the best part, european leaders can choose whether to commit their troops to this bull, new adventure or not. but even that most europeans vehemently oppose selling their own country strips to drain any leader who signs off of this might be fast tracking their own political career, straight into oblivion and globalism along with it, given their ideological meanings. now speaking of people who should be packing instead of grad sally, why the heck is canadian from mr. justin true though, even there is a monday. he's just days away from being hosted by his own party as a select a new leader. yeah, he's squeezing in and one last taxpayer funded euro trip wellbeing us strategically. i'm think us, you can say about sending canadian troops every step of the way. canada has looked at t

and what is important though, is the meeting that will be home in brussels. you summit, where they are, the decisions wouldn't be taken or would not be taken because as we heard that i'm getting a prime minister or but she is against a preparing against the current board. a. she was all the you of wanting to send a more of a didn't assistance to do your brain development that peaceful negotiations are, are being discussed. so that's why i also the show viking prime minister, mr. sequel, he's also against that. so the, there will not be a common stubs at the meeting of the e u on, on thursday. and perhaps this is why is that who k is, is having this of this correlation of the wedding. and we must not forget that historically, the episode, you k as always been against russia, from the time of discharge until day to day. so we shall see what, what, what will happen there. but as, as to the proposal of, uh, the buzzard lines that we need to create an e u r v. and. ringback increase, you arguments, said would make sense if nato was to be to spend it. but nato is n

a promise is the son of wally come, however, it lea, itself, brussels with significant death issues. despite that miss maloney's government has projected defense spending to rise by 2027. the little falls short of nato's target of 2 percent of g. d. p. local. i tell you, and officials are sending the alarm with one of the most populous regions. benito fearing industrial spun one council member. there names the european union's political decisions, especially functions on russia that close the door a crucial markets for italian exports. so we need to, to, to establish a family super work for us, you know, because most of the young people want to do moving on his way. but that for the we need that for our economies in. busy and now we are our and they're all set and domestic and proud of and is increasing more and more. we haven't made any program at in our many 2nd row, i want to call them me and they, we need to do this to be sure. and relationally for us and love it and be less the energy the, the we needed to receive low cost material and the, and the energy for us to avoid. becaus

told r t. brussels is shooting itself in the foot through. it's on willingness to admit the conflict this new attend a so your opinions are blinded by their advocates. i think that they can not understand that the situation has changed is that we are heading towards a peaceful negotiation that will solve to or they get not to europe and cannot accept that they have to off or they have not been able to do for you to pressure which was something impossible for doubts. ringback as to the proposal of the budget line is that we need to create an e, u r e and to increase e u arguments. so that would make sense if you need to allow us to be dispenses. but nato is not going to be despises. as i always have the question, that's a, that's a race to the you. all right, you want to create and he, you are me, but who is the enemy? the moment that we will have peace, hopefully soon there will be no and they me and no justification for having this policy of increasing the arguments of the you. the other fact is that they don't take into consideration the pe

so piece brussels has been pushing some maximum pressure. talking about pushing defense spending. potentially even putting troops on the grounds that on a pool special really then poses a very big question about the future of nato. because why do you go as an organization when there was such an ideological divide between its members? and from previous no thing to back down because he spoke to the lens like stop to move off the hosting folks my calls on stomach in the white office. so that bids and requests the i'm dying continued loyalty to keep and potentially even sending me a peacekeeping mission that federal and stuff is. so what we saw in the open office get as much signals, the demise of your lunch system as it does the demise of the landscapes. that folder and voice stations, right? yeah, and he says he earlier, you mentioned the rest of minerals. we know that ask you sort of went there for vac deal. well, how much did i do? well, it looks to be that in the world to me, they'd be hanging out the details of that deal for weeks and find

now to be a bridge between washington and between brussels and ukraine because of that very special u. k u. s. relationship. and the something most you need is running behind ukraine, of course. tell us what they've been saying and, and it just, i'm pulling at the meeting of everybody else tomorrow. it's been pretty universal support when it comes to european leaders for ukraine. the french president, my calling saying that it is important to remember who the aggressor in this conflict is, and that, that is russia, stimulus statements coming from the leaders of austria, poland, and the tech republic, one outlier, that was the hunger and prime minister, victor o button. who sang donald trump for what he called his bravery and standing for peace. but really he was the old voice that and what is universe? so pretty much unity in supporting ukraine. now the me saying all of these european need us here in london was already in the books before this disasters pulled out between us trump zalinski. however, now it's taking on and even more heightened importance because these european leaders

a few weeks ago in brussels, molly, n.a.t.o. secretary-general says today russia is on a full war time footing and making more ammunition in three months than the entire n.a.t.o. alliance makes in a year. each month the united states makes 50,000 artillery rounds, the russians, 250,000 rounds, molly. molly: quite a difference. lucas tomlinson thank you for pointing that out and the report. so what does all this have mean for peace talks. here to discuss, retired u.s. army four-star general david perkins. sir, thank you for sharing your insights with us on this saturday morning. greatly appreciate it. i just want to get your thoughts. >> good morning. molly: what you saw in the oval office and what you make of it? >> obviously, tensions and emotions are running high as they always do in times of war, where there's a lot on the table, both within ukraine and actually the world in general. you know, when you're in a public setting like that and on camera, there are things that are probably best not said and details that you don't g

also said a few weeks ago in brussels that today russia's making more ammunition in three months than the entire nato alliance makes in a year. and, griff everything one more. -- griff, one more. each year the americans make ooh 50,000 rounds, the russians, 250,000 rounds. griff: lucas tomlinson live in west palm beach, thank you. ♪ griff: in a a more than 3-hour sit-down with joe rogan, elon musk touted doge's push to the cut government spending which he says will save the country tens of billions of dollars a year. madeleinely very or rah is here live with more on set. maddie, it was a marathon podcast. >> reporter: yeah, this was rate wide-ranging, and they talked about a bunch of topics, but we'll be talking about what doge has been doing. in his conversation, elon musk defended the work of doge saying inefficiency within the federal government is worse than he thought. while he says some projects appear to be legitimate and have to be funded, he took aim at usaid and nonif governmental organizations, calling the latter a scam. this week more usaid workers cleared their desks as t

how is this being received by brussels and by the rest of, you know, the european people?ning to you and to your viewers. there is, the same phenomenon in europe that we have here, there is a rino right and then there's the populist right just like there is within the republican party. ray yes. >> so as we can expect, the rino right in europe aghast and all that as they are at a everything that happens with trump. there's a populist right that is very wary of war, very wary also a of russian expansionism. but they don't want -- they want to be able to give back to the domestic agenda. they want to get the war settled like the white house, like the trump administration do does, and they want -- and and that really is what attracts them to trump. it's the steps he has taken since being in office. as a you just said, i just spent two weeks in europe. by the way, just to demonstrate, i just got this hat, i don't know if you can see it, make europe great again. i got it at a summit of european if parties, 3 of them in -- 13 of them in madrid just two weeks ago. rachel: yeah. to

i was there in brussels just two weeks ago, meeting with colleagues of mine who serve in their respective parliaments u.k., france, germany, et cetera. it was at that moment two weeks ago that donald trump issued his tweet or whatever social media platform he uses these days, when he called zelenskyy a dictator. he is doing permanent damage to the transatlantic alliance, something that was always a bipartisan achievement, whether it was presidents like harry truman or dwight eisenhower or ronald reagan, or all the way through to barack obama. donald trump is breaking that, and americans will be worse off for it. >> he's also becoming making america the lap dog of vladimir putin. the news just broke that the secretary of defense, pete hegseth, actually ordered the halting of offensive cyber operations against russia. uh, that is breathtaking, that we're no longer going to engage in in the kind of. espionage and and cyber operations so we can get a look into what putin is planning and treating him like the enemy and the terrorist that he is. it is. it is. there is a massive pattern going on

of activity is, in many ways, moving from washington to europe, whether that's london, paris or brussels. but the europeans really are taking up the diplomatic approach. we've seen president macron, prime minister starmer, both talk about the details of what a the process of diplomacy could look like. and i say that's positive because they seem to understand much more so than this white house. the key question. the key question is not when we achieve an end to this war, but the key question must be and it should be how? that is to say, how this war ends. does it end in a just peace, or does it end in an unconditional ceasefire? the latter seems to be what president trump was pushing when he said in the oval office, this guy next to me, zelensky, doesn't want a ceasefire. well, in some ways it's quite logical that president zelensky wouldn't want an unconditional ceasefire because that surrender by another name, it would leave russia with 20% of ukrainian territory. it would leave vladimir putin in a position to rest, to refit, to retrain, and ultimately to re-attack, just as he has done

you've got another meeting going on in brussels where they want to come together.'ve got france and great britain coming to the table saying, we'll put soldiers forth to make sure that there is a security protection with this agreement. that's a big deal. i just want to remind your viewers here that america and our allies including japan and south korea, that's 50% of the economy, world economy, and russia is, like, 2%. i think we know who our friends are, who stood with us after 9/11. our friends and our allies, and we need to make this work. anything we can do to get this back on track, we must do. >> george: what does president zelenskyy need to know? you heard marco rubio say they need to accept a peace agreement, and they need to see something from president zelenskyy. do you think he made a mistake in the oval office? >> i did not, and i'm glad that he went on fox news and did an interview after. i think he was just trying to explain his situation, and that is that they are grateful to america. he has said that. he has said that numerous times in private and

now let's shift to brussels, where the greatest pool of allies, partners and friends the united states could possibly have in the world. our fellow democracies across this transatlantic bridge. there is despair. there is deep, deep concern and sadness over the way vladimir zelenskyy was treated in the oval office. the way he was. um, simply, i think, ambushed by the president and the vice president in a display that really does shame to the oval office of the united states. i think the question now, jim, is what happens in europe? let's face it, the spotlight will now go to europe. donald trump has made it clear he wants no part of helping ukraine going forward. it's a geopolitical mistake of epic proportion. now the lights go on in europe. they're going to have to step up and take this on. >> as you know, trump has not just warned ukraine. it's in effect on his own. i mean, he said that to europe effectively. and the way european leaders are taking that friedrich merz among them, soon to be chancellor of germany, is that they cannot rely on the u.s. to enforce article five of the nato