bryan stephenson joins us tonight for the interview.er and executive director of the equal justice initiative in alabama. thank you so much for joining us tonight. nice to have you here. >> it's my pleasure. thank you for having me. >> the idea of kids in prison until they die sounds like a strange thing for a modern industrialized nation to commit to but 39 americans state do this. >> i think until very recently no one had a clue that we had children in this country, some as young as 13 that have been sentenced to die in prison. one of the challenges of the depth is it obscures other issues of severe and excessive punishment. this is still one of them. we couldn't really talk about or consider death in prison sentences. i think it's a shock to many people that we send children, nine and ten to adult prisons and some of those kids 13 and 14 get sentenced to death in prison. >> when you advocate and when you brought this case as far as the supreme court and talked about it around the country, do you get push back from people who say you