so bryn and i are riding back and he said let's make this our special project. so we had some back and forth and finally we got a piece of paper that i took to the president and i said any lawyer will tell you they can drive a truck through this thing but i believe with all this background if we can get the pentecostals to leave the embassy they won't killed and they will be allowed to emigrate. so we did. we took their lives in our hands but we were pretty confident. >> rose: reagan... >> and he kept saying "i won't say a word." so about two or three months later they were all out... they were all able to emigrate, including their families, about 60 people and i said to the president the deal we'll let them out if you don't crow. he never said a word, nothing. so if you're a soviet leader and you observe that and you know how tempting it is for an american president to say "look what i did". >> rose: right. >> and he doesn't. he keeps his word. you can deal with this guy. he keeps his word. >> rose: was he a good negotiator because he had that experience as a l