he will say, btween taxes, regulations, i'm not hiring. as a matter of fact, small businesses have said. they make it very clear. small business optimism index is down. they are not hiring. if they, do it is part-time employees only. they don't want be locked in to have to pay benefits when they don't know what the numbers will be. >> there will be a lot of this is anticipation, projection. we did have a very bad jobs report. but is there a test case at all? any evidence, past evidence, that might tell us what wll happenith jobs? with when obamacare is effective. >> exactly, brenda, you it's anti-big or bigger government. my gut reaction is to say well, this is going to be bad. you are right. haven't done it bere. i think even bernard implied that, you know, we have to wait and see, but we ha a test case, as you said, we have massachusetts and there i was, to be honest with you, i was kind of surprised to see their employer mandate really has had very little negative effect. i think it's for two reasons. the obamacare empyer mandate, the e