and so we exchange lesson trees and talked bucci said hey, looks like this is going to get done.i sent it is. i said thank you for making it possible. she said no, you're making it possible. we are standing on the shoulders of what you build with obama. i think a lot of valid. and jared kushner, , i'm a big n of. he did a phenomenal job. the president gets a lot of credit obviously for making these decisions coming along on all issues with the sentencing reform particularly after he gave alice johnson clemency. he understood how these sentences are way out of whack that jared kushner is the reason along with the president, he did a great job can work with everybody, very thoughtful, very analytical, good guy. can't say enough about it but this is but a total team effort and which is proud to pay up and play i will in the base on the division of labor. >> we are in overtime. real quick you are part of the white house roundtable on this issue. take us behind the scenes. what was a like to be in the white house on this? >> we had a meeting a number of people in a meeting, a former b