bucha>> you can climb down easi. my mother can. my wife can. >> if you are trying to get out with a toddler or a baby, forget it. >> for that reason, we no longer allow people to put those letters there and say it is equivalent, because clearly it is not. >> it was the code for years. >> fire escapes are much better. they provide a spare and a handrail. and at that point, we expect the hard part will have a letter at the bottom. >> it is a bold. it could rust out. you have to make sure it is the cure. -- it's a bolt. it could rust out. you have to make sure it's secure. >> check it and fix it before it is a problem. and here is a wooden ladder. about six months ago, the board of supervisors passed a law that said every wooden ladder must be removed. that follows the unfortunate death of somebody who fell backwards and died. you cannot use these, and i would never encourage somebody. i certainly could not climb one of these. who knows what is holding it on? rusty nails? let's talk about groups. we did not expect homeowners to get on