the case in 2007, they had a guy named bucky phillips in upstate new york. he alluded thousands of law enforcement auchlsofficer s for and weeks. we hope we're going to find this guy. but it's very likely that either he found a way to get out or he's found some place that the police just haven't been able to find yet. and so it's going to take a very methodical and very tension-filled search that's going on right now. >> so, michael, is there not a critical time frame in which, you know, for the first x number of hours it is more likely that you'll apprehend somebody and as time goes on it is less likely? >> it really depends on the geography you're looking for. obviously woods versus an urban setting versus a suburban setting. a lot of nooks and crannies in houses. perhaps concealment opportunities. and it just takes a long time. but here's -- here's the point we should watch. at a eacertain point in time, f the commander at the scene, when do you say, all right, let's expand the search, and when do you talk the assets and move them some place else? that's