unionizing. they're trying to go in and organizing the workers and nipping the whole thing in the bud with a verylever p.r. campaign. >> he certainly does not want unionization in that shop. again it is all about margins. melissa: all these guys are liberals until the unions come in. melissa: on that note. thanks to both of you. go ahead. >> kathleen has been here through the long fight to pass the affordable care act. she helped guide its implementation even when it got rough. she has got bumps, i've got bums, bruises. melissa: hmmm. kathleen sebelius stepping down today as u.s. health secretary. president obama nominating budget director, sylvia matthew burwell in her place. let's bring in heritage foundation steve moore and charlie gasparino and jack otter are here as well. steve moore, what did you think about this one? big surprise or not really. >> surprised to me she lasted as long as she did. five years is long time to be a cabinet secretary. she is like conjoined twin with respect to obamacare. her whole legacy will be decided over the next few years as whether this thing is a complete f

buds from agreeing, an essential components of food distribution. so, it works. what it doesn't show is that chemical. >> chemical is used in the european unionhere they have the precautionary principle. it's not carsinogenic. it does what it's supposed to do but it doesn't cause any harm. there is an illusion that organics don't use pesticides and they are more nutrition and they are less harmful and the science just doesn't show that. >> but there is not a lot of rebate data on how much better organic food could be. isn't there an agreement that that that is not pesticide free, concern? >> yeah. i mean it does have lower pesticides but levels that are not harmful, the usda has talked about this extensively. we have had reports from the european union where they use a different even more stringent standards and the pesticides that show up, you will read reports about it in the press because we have a chemophobic view of pesticides but they are not at harmful levels. organic product, though, show about a five times greater possibility of pathogens, organics are grown in fecal material. they don't use pesticides that are as effective. they use

prune back to about 6 or 8 inches from the base of the shrub at a 45-degree angle at the closest bud union. you can see that bud right there, it's ready to rock and roll next spring. i'm getting rid of that spindly material. i'm considering those buds. pruning back at a 45-degree angle. and my goal, ultimately, is about 3 or 5 canes. 45-degree angle. spindly branches gone. before you know it, you're left with a shrub that looks like this. and i know it's scary as all get out, but the reality is it's gonna perform for you in the spring. the next step is removing all the leaf litter. this leaf litter will over winter fungus that we don't want. rust, powdery mildew, black spots. get it out of there and throw it into your compost pile. once you've gotten rid of all your leaf litter, the next step is top dressing with a good, well-balanced planting mix or mulch. really good stuff that we're gonna add to the mix and dress around the base of the rose. a little organic fertilizer like this dr. earth label. well-balanced, beneficial microbes. pepper in a little bit of that on your shrub. and gettin