buechner here sees the tariffs increasing business and prices at the same time. do you see that playing out for the larger economy? >> reporter: well, he is such an excellent case study for that central tension. i mean, tariffs, they are supposed to protect domestic industries, and we are already seeing clients of buechner see increased demand, he is seeing that come to him, but tariffs potentially also potentially raise prices for the businesses that make those products, and then for us, the consumers. and i go back in history, what happened under the first trump administration? we saw similar aluminum and steel tariffs, and there are a number of analyses show the manufacturing industry actually hired less people because of those increased costs. this time around, the economic landscape is different. the tariff plan is different. so whether it is net negative or net positive, it's going to depend on the industry, the extent of the tariff, and the length. >> maurice: to be continued. kelly o'grady, thanks so much. >> john: still ahead on "cbs evening news," lonni