so billy learned from bufalino and eventually before bufalino went to prison it was billy who was runningit was the de facto head. he learned a lot from russell and also had become -- mckee had filled in russell's shoes in terms of becoming the mob's negotiator whenever there is a turbulence with organized crime they would go to russell. it was also outside of organized crime, entertainment, politics, whatever. folks are gone to russell and billy assumed that role and intervened and became a very, very powerful figure himself. eric: that's what's interesting about the book and the trento crime family you think of the mafia what you see in the mo movies. but some of these members were businessmen upstanding seemingly members of the community when he dealt with business and negotiations on a very high level. >> it was not all violence. in fact we did not spend a lot of time talking about violence i spent over a year with billy. the thing that was really unique about billy as he had never ever spoken to anyone. not when he was arrested in 2006 for conspiring, drug money, drug laundering, inv