and the government has gone as far as to actually call for building a fence between bulger and turkey. and the thing that is quite interesting is that in fact very often these parties are actually very close to religious groups and religious positions so this entire thing means that in one sense it is sort of the usual pontifical approach to trying to bring out the message of reconciliation but at the very same time i think that this can be read and heed ought to be read as a direct confrontation with a certain brand of politics that has really taken hold in much of europe and of course it ties in with the pontiff so a message of compassion talking. reconciliation bill france is also going to meet the head off they've given all the ducks judge but the actually have to say he will not have a joint mass with him what is it to us about relations between the two churches well this is actually a pretty strong rebuke particularly because i'm about to and had been quite open about its expectations to actually hold must to go there and be able to sort of. put away the friends in or there to y

couple of fbi agents who were associated with the criminal in boston way back when called whitey bulgerublic enemy back then, very famous criminal -- paul: mob boss. >> mob boss. he framed four guys for murder back in 19 of 8. turned out he was an fbi informant being protected by several fbi agents. thirty years later john durham was asked to look back into that case that occurred in 1968, and he got convictions of the two fbi agents who had been protecting whitey bulger, an extraordinary investigation into the fbi. paul: so he has experience investigating the investigators, going after the fbi -- and he was asked by former attorney general mike mukasey in the late bush administration, kim, to investigate the destruction of tapes, videotapes of terrorist suspect interrogations, but he didn't bring any indictments there. so there's no guarantee here that there will be prosecutions. >> no. that's why it's so important that he was the guy that was named a. couple of other things about his career. first of all, he seem to be a modest guy. he doesn't give press conferences, he doesn't do lea

s relationship with mafia boss whitey bulger so when it was announced that he would look into whether or not federal officials broke the law when investigating donald trump the democrats got antsy so did former f.b.i. director james calming and feared personally i feared as a citizen investigate what investigate that investigations were conducted what would be the crime you'd be investigating so it's a terrible cycle to start perhaps the f.b.i. does have a reason to be concerned after all they did send an informer who posed as an assistant in order to meet with trump's aide now this informer stephon helper has a long history in fact he was involved in cia spying during the 1980 elections trump says that his campaign was spied on however those who oversaw the operation strongly object to that wording. the dictionary definition of spawn surveillance or spying a term i don't particularly like it's not a term of art used by intelligence people that has a negative connotation of a rogue operation out of control not in compliance with the law and that's not the case at all now let's not for

he took on the fbi who were protecting whitey bulger. he went after and convicted and sent to jail the governor of connecticut, a republican named john rojohn roland. hard to criticize a guy who is apolitical. you have durham in connecticut looking at some aspects, we don't know exactly what, but i've confident that barr has a focus he wants him to take. horowitz has independent authority to investigate all of what happened in the steele dossier and the investigation in 2016, and they you have huber, who's also looking at specific elements of the russia investigation off. three share something in common. they're tough, independent, and they are career people who are not going to bend. they'll do exactly what they think is right. i think this is a great move. >> sean: karl rove, i've been on this for two-plus years. i'm convinced they did violate hillary's investigation. she did violate the espionage act. i believe the fisa court was systemically lied to on four separate occasions using her phony dossier never verified, and i believe the

resulting in a conviction of an fbi special agent as another law enforcement official connected to whitey bulger. in 2009, he was investigating abuses in the cia. durham has successfully prosecuted dozens of government officials, gang members, drug traffickers, alike. he has been praised by members on both sides of the aisle for his steady and caution pursuit of truth and justice. tonight he's focused on why our countries most sensitive intelligence tools were turned against its own citizens at the height of a presidential election. fox news is reporting that durham is collaborating with the inspector general, michael horowitz, in his ongoing investigation and fisa abuse and fisa abuse fraud. get this, durham's investigation is not new. it is now been underway for weeks and possibly even months. needless to say, the bad actors in the deep state, they're getting very nervous tonight. they're now turning on each other. little circular firing squad forming. lisa page, peter strzok are blaming loretta lynch for the rigging of the investigation into hillary clinton and her server and obstruction of j

over the course of his career, durham has investigated fbi agents who protected the gangster whitey bulger, investigated the destruction of cia interrogation tapes and cia officials who carried out so-called enhanced interrogation techniques. barr's appointment of durham set off hysteria among some of the radical dems and the deep state who recognize their conspiracy and cover-up is beginning to unravel and, perhaps, unravel in full public view. none of the radical dems more hysterical than senator blumenthal. >> the investigation is a politically motivated distraction. it's a waste of john durham's talent. it's a net to his reputation -- a threat to his reputation for being a straight shooter, serious and straightforward prosecutor. lou: there's a man who tried to talk with nothing to say. radical, the radical left has every reason to be hysterical, of course. en tonight the fox's catherine herridge reporting that in december 2016 fired former fbi director james comey had e-mail discussions about using the unverified steele dossier as part of the intel community's assessment on russian in

office, and resulting in a conviction of an fbi special connected to the notorious gangster "whitey" bulger. he was appointed to investigate abuses in the cia. he has successfully prosecuted gang members, drug traffickers alike. he has been praised by members on bothle sides of the aisle for his studyy and cautious pursuit of justice. he is squarely focused on why our country's most sensitive and intelligent tools were turned against its own citizens at the height of a presidential election. fox news is reporting that durham is collaborating with michael horowitz in his ongoing investigation into pfizer abuse and fraud. get this. his investigation is not new. it has now been underway for weekss and possibly even months. needless to say the bad actors are getting very nervous. they are now turning on each other. lisa page, peter strzok. loretta lynch for the rigging of the investigation into hillary clinton and her server. obstructionrv of justice. bruce ohr, well he is blaming them for his warning about the dossier. that was in august of 2016. james comey is trashing them on national tv, an

he took on the fbi who were protecting "whitey" bulger. he went after and convicted and sent to jail the governor of connecticut, a republican named john rowland. he is a straight arrow, and i think this is a great move by attorney general barr. hard to criticize a guy who is a political and has served in ine hope again administrations. you have durum in connecticut looking at some aspects -- we don't know exactly what -- but i'm confident that he has a particular focus that he wants them to take. you have horwitz, who has independent authority to investigate all of what happened in the steele dossier and the investigation into 2016 and then you have huber who is also looking at specific elements of the russia investigation, all three of them share something in common. they are tough, they are independent, and they are career people who are not going to bend. they will do exactly what they think is right. i think this is a great move. >> sean: karl rove, i've been on this for two plus years. i'm convinced they did rigged hillary's investig

the things the fbi did in abusing their power, they locked up falsely four guys to protect wendy bulgernfidential informant and two of these guys cut in prison, durham uncovered it in the fbi had to pay to settle in. juan, if you are on fairly accused of crime you didn't commit for two years, wouldn't you want to know how it started, why it started, who started it. that's all that's going on right now. it's a fact of the obama administration collective intelligence on the trump campaign. we know that now in the investigators despise president trump and actually have an insurance policy which they called the investigation to prevent his presidency. it's a normal question to ask. why was this investigation launched when there was no evidence? what evidence of a base the investigation on? mueller found no evidence, so what started the investigation. >> juan: wow. i think i should check your temperature and see if the fever is ebbing. no one starts an investigation saying we have an investigation. they look for evidence. >> jesse: what was the evidence they saw that made them walk? >> juan:

both republican and democratic administrations including the fbi ties to crime boss james whitey bulger. this now marks the third and separat separate inquiry into the early days of the russia investigation. rachel honig is from the southern district of new york. good to see you. so we saw the president saying he didn't ask barr to investigate the investigators but you listen to the president and you look at what he said on twitter, he's obviously called this investigation illegal and said someone should be investigating. >> does he need to ask when he's out there every day on twitter and making public deck lar ises that we need to look into this. this is the real conspiracy. so it doesn't require a direct conversation from the president in order for bill barr to know what he wants and bill barr is i think nothing if not tuned into the president's political wishes. and i really think bill barr is making a big mistake here. i think -- >> you said it is a joke. >> i said it is a joke. that is the pg version. he's acting as a political operative first and a series prosecutor second. this i

he was the guy who took on the fbi senior agent who was basically defending and hiding whitey bulger'sious activities, using him as a confidential informant, but hiding some of his extreme and violent deeds from law enforcement. he's the guy who took on the republican governor of connecticut, john roland, and prosecuted him and sent him to jail. he was the guy that attorney general mukasey e turned to to judge the destruction of the tapes of cia interrogators, and the obama administration asked him to take a look at enhanced interrogation techniques and to make a determination as to whether they violated u.s. law. in each and every instance the, he did what he thought was right, and i'm sure in this instance it's one to to have reasons why barr chose him. the american people need to have these answers, and this is a guy who's going to give it to 'em, and it's going to be straight arrow, chips fall where they may, let's let the facts speak for themselves. trish: i mean, you heard what i had to say, and i still maintain -- i'm sort of stun thed by this, because -- stunned by this, becaus

rochester history was when we won the malcolm bulger award in 1990. >> let me start with imple b.m.t rochester. a company -- imple b.m. at i.b.m. at rochester. >> we were really proud to represent i.b.m. as a whole and win that award in 1990. i.b.m. rochester has a strong history of supporting supercomputers and if you member supercomputer in 1997 beat gary casper, the world chess master in chess. it was called deep blue. locally here in 2002 we started partnering with i.b.m. research and with the u.s. department of energy on a system called blue jean and we started the development of that. the attempt was to make a system that was 10 times faster than the latest supercomputer which was at that time a japanese machine. in 2004 we came out with blue gene and that legacy continues today and in fact last year in 2018 teams here in rochester helped develop and deliver and continues to support a summit in sierra which are the number one and number two supercuters -- computers in the world and they're with the department of energy. summit does 200 quadrillion transactions a second, which

clinton's janet reno to uproot corruption in the fbi in boston where they were working with "whitey" bulgeras been willing to take on democrats or republicans take on corruption in the intelligence community, or allegations of that. get to the bottom of it. stuart: he is a prosecutor, which means he could file actual charges and someone could be fined, suspended or even go to prison. he has that power? >> he does. the hard left so far is probably going to criticize him. they were unhappy that he decided that, under the bush administration the, we had acted within legal means when interrogating suspects an al qaeda suspects and other people taken on the battlefield. they were very disappointed in that. eric holder said he was okay with it. he will get criticism from the hard left. he has reputation for being a bulldog. he has the capability like you said to bite here. stuart: we have the inspector general's report on the doj and fbi. that comes up in a couple weeks, maybe, even shorter time. we have this prosecutor looking into the election of 16. we have got senator lindsey graham holding h

mainly bulger. and janet reno asked him to try to find out whether those allegations were true and if so how serious they were. and he was very effective. not just by himself working with a lot of other people. but we know what happened to whitey bulger and the whole fbi web was kind of unraveled and exposed. and then, i think it was not long after with the bush administration. george w. bush administration, he was asked by attorney general mccasey to look into the destruction of the video tape, the cia made of some quote unquote enhanced interrogations that were done in some off site having to do with the attempt to collect information about the 9/11 attacks. he did that. and the next step was to revisit that investigation. >> he was appointed to his position that he was a u.s. attorney by the trump administration. how much do you think that's going to affect him to do this investigation and ultimately the results see from it. >> the fact he's been appointed by trump, knowing john durham i've been

agents who were in essence protecting whitey bulger, the gangster.t and sent him to prison. he is a straight arrow. he will get to the bottom of this one way or another. he has been at this for weeks apparently. >> bill: jay gibson passes that bit along today and passes this quote as well to insure that intelligence collection activities related to the trump campaign in 2016 were lawful and appropriate. that's what bill barr said during his testimony a few weeks ago on the hill. >> right. you know, we have the inspector general's investigation has been underway for a long period of time. but you had tom dupree on earlier today who made a very important point. the i.g. is constrained in who he can talk to. by adding durham into this you have horowitz who can talk to anybody still on the payroll of the government. durham allows you to get to people who have left the government like a comey, like a mccabe, like a peter strzok and others and he will be able to get them involved in this and he has greater authority to compel testimony and documents than d