. >> host: "bunk" is the name of the book coming out in november, the rise of hoaxes, bumbug, plagiarists, post-facts and fake news. kevin young is the author. thanks for joining us. >> guest: thanks for having me. >> this is "the communicators" on c-span. we are talking to some of the presenters and some of the people who are here. joining us now is billy rios the founder of a company called whites go. .. >> really interested in inter, as. >> what are you finding are the vulnerables of imbedded devices. >> i've been doing security for a long time. city vulnerables have come back in imbedded devices. so, to export are modern phone, smartphone or even a computer, takes pretty high level sophistication now, but to exploit devices i pretty easy. >> host: give us an example. >> infusion popeye had no password. you can just connect to it and make the inpump do what you're >> the device that is controlling the amount of drugs a patient is getting when they're laying in a hospital bed. literally have in password. you can connect to it however you wanted. you can make the pump do whatever you wan