it is not the first tri-state area bundler christie has lost to jeb bush, but i am telling you right now, i don't believe the christie people know how bad it is. people are writing him off. >> while scott walker is here he didn't handle it well, but the truth is, among new york donors who don't want jeb bush, they have an open ear for his -- an open ear for scott walker. because they don't want chris christie. that is why scott walker is getting a hearing this week. >> i think the one upside for christie is he is going to have to fight for it now in a way that's not going to be like in -- like a chair fund-raising. he is going to have to use his political skills which, the people writing him off or get are from edible. >> they are from edible. -- forget our formidable. >> they are formidable. there is all this polling now and you know as well as i do that bundler's look at numbers. >> he is going to be the nominee right now. >> james wants you to move on. >> speaking of cold hard cash, i read the news today about the clinton foundation taking foreign cash from the united arab emirate

he owns a new jersey football team. ' it is not the first tri-state area bundler christie has lost toeb bush, but i am telling you right now, i don't believe the christie people know how bad it is. i know they have recognized that they have lost people, but people are writing him off. >> while scott walker is here he didn't handle that question well, but the truth is, among new york donors who don't want jeb bush, they have an open ear for scott walker. because they don't want chris christie. that is why scott walker is getting a hearing this week. >> it previously was the case for people that we talked to that christie would be the #2 contender to bush. the one upside for christie is he is going to have to fight for it now in a way that's not going to be like a chair fund-raising. he is going to have to fight for the nomination, potentially underfunded. he is going to have to use his political skills which, the people writing him off or they are formidable. >> his selling points are going away. you look at the polling going on around him the associations that people have with them. y

clearly, governor bush will have bundlers and large donors fully on board. he already does.arco rubio is going to excite a lot of people. there are folks in other parts of the country who are willing to write big checks. i don't think you can write off governor christie. scott walker clearly has great support. you have four right there who are going to be able to raise sufficient money to run a credible primary campaign. >> is there anyone on the more conservative side who are formidable -- maybe not as formidable as what you mentioned but really formidable, do you think? >> specifically in terms of fundraising. >> rand paul -- ron paul never did a fund raiser and raised more than $50 million. pretty amazing. to know the small dollar contributions that came in for ron paul were enough to run a credible primary campaign. i believe land -- i believe rand can do the same thing. he spent time -- will he spend time meeting with others the way he did? i don't know. as for ted cruz and mike huckabee, i don't know if they can pull the money together. i think it's too early to know.

neil: so the bundlers are they the ones drawing more to him now, because similarly, what do you thinkl, in my perspective, it is very early. there is some early money that is moved away from romney now that he's dropped out. probably to bush and walker jeb bush is leading a very aggressive fund-raising network that he's got 60 events in the next few months coming up. he's going at it at heart. neil: they're all steak fries. >> it's all on the sidelines because it's early right now. and if you take it one step further, there are the bundlers and pacs outside of the parties that collectively have amassed more money than both parties combined. neil: and they glom onto whoever is leading, right? >> absolutely. when romney got out, the floodgates opened a lot for bush. people are starting to look. you can divide your money until it gets down and narrows. neil: bill gates warned about attack of robots. i'm not sure he had this, this in mind. so,as my personal financial psychic, i'm sure you know what this meeting is about. yes, a raise. i'm letting you go. i knew that. you see, this is my a

but to say they have all gone to governor bush -- >> of your big bundlers, what percentage is still onhe sideline? >> a large majority are still on the sideline. >> the fact that they are not with governor bush -- what do they find lacking in him that they are not tiling in behind the guy who is the establishment front runner? >> i don't think it suggests anything other than it is early. they've had an opportunity to spend time with him -- some were waiting for governor romney and this is really early. it's a be wary. you -- >> you would acknowledge that governor bush has a commanding posture as a fun raiser. who looks likely to be close to him more in the number two position? >> it's early. a lot can happen between now and the debates, but who has the ability to pull the money together? clearly, governor bush will have unlearned learners and large donors fully on board. marco rubio is going to excite a lot of people there are folks in other parts of the country who are willing to write big checks. i don't think you can write off governor christie. scott walker clearly has great suppor

the new aggregators, the new bundlers, will be large. >> what is the future of apple under tim cook?l apple be a big player in television? >> it looks promising. it looks extremely promising. you know, the iphone 6 is a huge hit. and is going to be extremely successful. apple is gaining strength. you can kind of feel it. is a company gaining strategic strength or losing it? you can just feel that apple is gaining strength. i think they will do extraordinarily well. the interesting thing about apple tv is that apple keeps refusing to build the tv. everybody keeps predicting there will be an apple tv you put on your wall. and they don't build it. i believe that why they don't build the tv goes back to the power of the smartphone, which is, a smartphone upgrade cycle is two years. i think what apple figured out is the upgrade cycle for tv's is five years or 10 years. the tv, effectively, is fated. the tv will become a dumb peripheral for the smartphone. you will use chromecast, one of these things, and beam to the tv. the tv will be the dumb recipient of the content. i think they think

they had a donor call yesterday who was positive about getting bundlers together.e hasn't declared anything yet. but you talk to folks around the country, like you do, iowa there's some skepticism about him. i think people thought he did better during the freedom summit the other weekend than they thought he would. the obama hug still comes up. i think the question now is what is his pathway forward. >> you mentioned the iowa thing. our poll from iowa earlier this week his negatives were off the charts in iowa. and there's been other polling, other places, that shows his negatives are off the chart. is that all still just a holder from bridgegate? what do you think it is that makes voters who don't really know him that well, what is it that makes 55% or 60% of iowa republicans not like him? >> i really don't think they care about bridgegate at all. i talked to some iowa folks today and they don't care -- >> what makes them not like him? >> i think there's still some suspicion, some skepticism. they worry he's not conservative enough. but i will say, when you put hi

in fact, there's a finite number of talented staff and the really biggest donors and bundlers who haveexperienced raising 2 million, 5 million for a campaign. >> the woody johnson defection seems like a really big deal. >> woody johnson is one of the three or four biggest gets in the new york city area, which is one of biggest areas in the country for raising money. >> he is one of the 16 biggest. >> he's a really big whale. to land him is a really big deal on the jeb bush side. there are many who are yet to be untapped. i do not think jeb bush has a commanding presence. he hasn't locked up the whole world here. >> but there's momentum. momentum feeds momentum, does it not? >> christie has to start momentum if he wants to stay in the game. >> what part of christie's record may be litigated if he decides to run? it may not be the bridgegate stuff. it could be his fiscal record in the state. of the three biggest rating companies, they have down rated new jersey's credit rating eight times. it would be a big deal in iowa where there is a fiscal hawkishness. they don't like credit card deb

there was some trouble with the chinese-american bundler who ended up -- it was not a big story. think that is always a potential problem. where is the money coming from? kati: that is not an issue republicans will raise. [laughter] john: she gave speeches to goldman sachs. i think that will be an issue. she is still giving paid speeches. there is a populist element in the democratic party that is growing. she is going to need to respond to it and the way she responds will be the big question about her. her first outing on that was not encouraging for her supporters. she said at one point she was trying to show that she was not too close to wall street and she said businesses do not create jobs. it was a gaffe. similar to obama's gaffe in 2012 when he said you didn't build that. the difference was, this was something that might indicate some challenges ahead obama kind of said it when he was talking fast. he made a gaffe. when hillary said it, she was speaking slowly. if you watch it on youtube, it is really disturbing because her mind should have said, what are you saying? it wa

there was some trouble last time -- i think it was a chinese-american bundler in california a who ended up -- it wasn't a big story but she also didn't win the nomination. i think that's always a potential problem, is where is the money coming from. >> well, that's not an issue the republicans will raise. >> no. but it -- i really agree with that. she's been a little tone-deaf on some of those things. she gave speeches to goldman sachs. i think that will be an issue. she's still giving paid speeches and there is a populist element in it the democratic party that is growing and she's going to need to respond to it. and the way she responds to that i think will be the big question about her. her first outing on that was not encouraging for her supporters. she said at one point she was trying to show that she wasn't too close to wall street and she said, "businesses don't create jobs." it was a gaffe. it was a little similar to obama's gaffe in 2012 when he said, "you didn't build that." but the difference was -- and this was something that might indicate some challenges ahead. obama kind