viewer and you've never heard of the waco massacre let's take a look back at what happened and february of one thousand nine hundred three u.s. agents from the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms attempted to issue a search warrant. carmel fenner ranch the property of a religious group called branch davidian and over a tip that the group was stockpiling illegal weapons that search failed and one sued was an exchange of gunfire leaving four agents and six branch davidian dead followed thereafter was a tense standoff and media frenzy. february two thousand. the bloodiest day in the history of the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms as the siege entered its third week the f.b.i. turned up the heat. blasting loud music and chanting to the compound over powerful loud speakers now and then playing recorded phone negotiations with caress to make sure cult members knew what he was saying as the fifth week began it was evident that all forces were losing patients all. interpret the bible. the seizure against the compound lasted fifty one long days until finally a second assault was initiated by federal agents donned in full combat gear they used a military tanks to bust holes in the

view and you've never heard of the waco massacre let's take a look back at what happened and february of one thousand nine hundred three u.s. agents from the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms attempted to issue a search warrant. carmel fenner ranch the property of a religious group called branch davidian and over a tip that the group was stockpiling illegal weapons that search failed and one sued was an exchange of gunfire and leaving four agents and six branch davidian dead followed there after was a tense standoff and media frenzy. february two thousand. the bloodiest day in the history of the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms as the siege entered its third week the f.b.i. turned up the heat. blasting loud music and chanting to the compound over powerful loud speakers now and then playing recorded phone negotiations with caress to make sure cult members knew what he was saying as the fifth week began it was evident federal forces were losing patience all. the bible the bill. the siege against the compound lasted fifty one long days until finally a second assault was initiated by federal agents donned in full combat gear that used the military tanks to bust holes in

on you've never heard of the waco massacre let's take a look back at what happened and february of ninety ninety three u.s. agents from the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms attempted to issue a search warrant. carmel fenner ranch the property of a religious group called branch davidian and over a tip that the group was stockpiling illegal weapons that search failed and one sued was an exchange of gunfire leaving four agents and six branch davidian dead followed thereafter was a tense standoff and media frenzy. in. february twenty eighth the bloodiest day in the history of the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms as the siege entered its third week the f.b.i. turned up the heat. blasting loud music and chanting to the compound over powerful loud speakers now and then playing recorded phone negotiations with caress to make sure cult members knew what he was saying as the fifth week began it was evident that all forces were losing patience all said she. interprets the bible the bill. the seizure against the compound lasted fifty one long days until finally a second assault was initiated by federal agents donned in full combat gear that used the military t

. >> it was a raid by the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. >> hello. >> call it off! ho is this? >> atf agents trying to arrest david koresh and search the branch davidian compound. the operation that winter morning was the culmination of an eight-month investigation. the feds believed koresh was illegally converting semiautomatica r-15s like this one into the fully automatic machine guns soldiers use. the federal agents had rented a house across the street posing as college students trying to buddy up to koresh. but he never bought the act. >> we knew we were being watched from across the road. we knew there was some kind of government agency -- agents over there. >> atf planned a military-style raid, what they call dynamic entry. it hinged on the element of surprise. hide 76 agents in innocuous looking cattle trailers and strike while the davidian men were outside, away from their guns. >> we practiced for it. they drilled over and over again. >> the pressure for federal agents to act rose when the local newspaper published an expose about koresh's multiple wives and

of the obama administration it seems for bowman and small farmers like him the fight for their farms will be an uphill battle in washington liz wall r.t. . well nearly five years after the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms rated the organization formerly known as blackwater and seized twenty two automatic weapons the case against the security agency has finally come to a close the indictment claims that blackwater used the canned in county sheriff's office as a proxy to purchase the weapons and also allege that the agency bought some two hundred twenty seven short barrel rifles without registering them of the five former blackwater officials who were charged former general counsel andrew howell form of her chair meant vice president and a bundy and former weapons manager ronald plays ak have all dropped had all their charges dropped that were against them meanwhile former president of blackwater gary jackson and former executive vice president william matthews pled guilty to some misdemeanor charges now they were sentenced to four months of house arrest three years probation and five thousand dollars worth of fines so a slap on the wrist by any means so we here at archie want to know did this group get

as soon as it was passed mar bet applied to the federal bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms to manufacturehich is marketed for children between the ages of 5 and 11. the atf basically told him no way. he can't manufacture the buckaroo without a federal license. so he sued the department of justice, and he is claiming that they do not have the right to regulate firearms because of the montana firearms freedom act. he lost his case in the district court, and next month the ninth circuit will hear his argument. he hopes to bring this argument all the way to the u.s. supreme court, because he wants to challenge the eight decades of precedent which gives the federal government the power to regulate interstate commerce. legislatures in 34 states have introduced copycat bills. eight governors have signed the bill into law. and joining me now is the man who first signed the act into law, governor brian schweitzer he is joining me from new york. welcome back inside "the war room." >> good to be back and great to see you again. >> jennifer: great to see you again too. so former governor schweitzer t

beginning with the center of republican integrity recently wrote about the role of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms and a background check system for purchasing firearms. live from the blue ridge arsenal , a gun shop and shooting range. in addition to interviews with a gun shop owner and live demonstrations, executive director of gun owners of america and washington times senior opinion editor emily weller, author of this year's emily gets a gun. live on c-span at 7:00 a.m. eastern. >> from the very start we told the board that the approach we were going to take, which was pretty straightforward. and remember, we were sent there to sort of fix gm, the board in night. that was the mission. go make this thing a viable company again. so we were all focused and brought the message we will design, build, and sell the world's best vehicles to move quickly. we need your support. and we need your input. and so we changed a few things about the board meeting. we shorten them considerably. we stayed away from the details or did not get in the weeds on how you build a car. the bigger questions of financing, m

and since congress hasn't confirmed a director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms in sixhould confirm your u.s. attorney from minnesota todd jones who's here today and who i have nominated for this post. [ applause ] these are common sense measures supported by democrats, republicans and independents. and many of them are responsible gun owners. we're seeing members of congress of both parties put aside their differences and work together to make many of them a reality. but if there's one thing i have learned over the last four years, it's that you can't count on anything in washington until it's done. and nothing's done yet. there's been a lot of talk, a lot of conversation, a lot of publicity but we haven't actually taken concrete steps yet. last week, the senate held its first hearing since newtown on the need to address gun violence and the way to move forward and the first people to offer testimony were gabby giffords and her husband mark kelly. they talked about how a complex problem like this has no single solution but if we still had a ten-round limit on magazines

government regulates alcohol and to nationalize the regulation of pot, get back to the states, growers would need a federal permit, the bureau of alcohol and tobacco, marijuana and firearms. >> the pro-marijuana lobby is getting a lot of money to talk about this. the reality is marijuana can be harmful drug for a lot of people, doubling her car crash risk, we don't need any of these extreme policies. we can reform the worst part of the policies, people should not be locked up in jail, few people do for small amounts of marijuana but don't heavily wite to legalize marijuana for this. gerri: is marijuana a gateway drug? >> it is more of a gateway drug when it is illegal because they go to the same drug dealers. they separated out commie taunts that effect. it is that regardless of the pool editions being chicken on this with a few exceptions so far, you have over half the country now saying let's legally merrilregulate marijuana. they say that pouring money down the drain. gerri: let's show a map here because we have 18 states in d.c. already allowed medical marijuana to be legal, so there's a lot of the country already on this page. >> that pro-marijuana lobby has pushed

[applause] and since congress hasn't confirmed a director of the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearmsy should confirm your u.s. attorney from minnesota todd jones to that post. [applause] these are common sense measures supported by democrats, republicans and independents and many of them are responsible gun owners. we're seeing members of congress from both parties put aside their differences and work together to make many of them a reality. but if there is one thing that i've learned over the last four years, it's that you can't count on anything in washington until it's done. and nothing is done yet. there's been a lot of talk, a lot of conversation, a lot of pub blissty, but we haven't taken concrete steps yet. last week the senate held its first hearing since newtown on the best way to move forward on gun violence. >> the first people to offer testimony were gab gi giffords and her husband captain kelly. if we had a limit on magazines the gunman who shot her wouldn't have been able to shoot 33 rounds in 15 seconds. some of the six people who lost their lives that day in tucson mi

of factors. host: let me share with you and our audience these numbers -- these are 2011 numbers from the top -- the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearmsols, 2.6 million. 2.3 million rifles. a hundred feet -- 62 -- 862,000 shotguns. 573,000 revolvers. what do these numbers tell you? guest: we in america like to buy guns. it has been part of our culture and tradition. i understand that. i was an army cadet for the first two years of school. i have been hunting with my buddies. i have been to the range even more, and will continue to do so for the rest of my life. i think there are some simple changes, and in doing the background check on every gun cell, that i think will go a long way to keeping the second amendment for the people it was intended for and keeping guns out of the end -- of the hands of people who should not have been in the first place. host: this came up yesterday in our conversation with emilie miller, who had to go through an extensive process of purchasing a gun in washington, d.c. you have different patchwork loss. maryland is different from virginia and new york. pennsylvania is different than upstate new york. you

and sense congress hasn't confirmed a director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms in sixd confirm your u.s. attorney from minnesota todd jones who is here today and nominated for this post. these are common sense measures, supported by democrats, republicans, and independents, and many of them are responsible gun owners, and we're seeing members of congress from both parties put aside their differences and work together to make many of them a reality. but, if there is one thing that i have learned over the last four years, it's that you can't count on anything in washington until its done. no, sir is done yet. there has been a lot of talk conversation and publicity but we haven't actually taken concrete steps yet. last week the senate held first hearing since newtown on the best way to address gun violence and the best way to move forward. the first people to offer testimony were gabriel giffords and her husband mark kelly. talked about how a complex problem like this has no single solution but if we still had a 10 round limit on magazines, for example, the gunman who sho

and since congress hasn't confirmed a director of bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms in six years.s. attorney from minnesota, todd jones, who is here today, and who has been nominated for this post. these are common sense measures supported by democrats, republicans, and independents, and in many of them are response gun owners. we're seeing members of both parties putting aside their differences and work together to make many of them a reality. but if there is one thing i've learned over the last four years, it is that you can't count on anything in washington until it's done. and nothing is done yet. there has been a lot of talk, a lot of conversation, a lot of publicity, but we haven't actually taken concrete steps yet. the last week the senate held its first hearing since newtown on the need to address gun violence and the best way to move forward. the first people to offer testimony were gabby giffords and her husband mark kelly. they talked about how a complex problem like this has no single solution, bu still had a ten-round limit on magazines, for example, the gunman who s

texas, you may own full automatic weapons once you acquire a $200 tax stamp from the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearmsbut not every state is what we refer to as a class three state. >> so much to know. and first and foremost, whether the charred remains inside this burned down cabin are, in fact, those of the man they have been looking for. thanks, lou. nice to see you. retired nassau county, new york, police officer that now runs his own security agency. >>> lots more going on. a lot of news around the world. back to zoraida in new york. >>> new this morning, six more arrests stemming from a new investigation into alleged phone hacking at rupeert murdoch's no shuttered news of the world. six former or current journal t journalists are suspecteded of being part of a conspiracy that took place in 2005 life-2006. this is separate from the previous vastgatiinvestigation executives. >> four alabama football players have been arrested. three for robbing a student and the other for improper use of a credit card. >>> banana joe wins best of new at the westminster kennel club dog show. westminster was his fin

source of a lot of guns that get used in crimes, and -- you know, it would be easy enough to close it. >> stephanie: exactly. and the last one, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearmst was the main point of your piece, the nra is doing everything they can to block even data correction. >> the atf in particular has really had its hands tied by the nra. the data only really accesses in accessible form on background checks for 24 hours. so they basically have a day to get paper. >> stephanie: right. >> so literally evidence of crimes is being destroyed, because congress has set up the atf to be fairly week at the behest of the gun lobby. >> stephanie: all right. dave gilson thank you so much. >> thanks for having me >> we put a link to that article up on your facebook gauge. >> guns don't kill people, enthusiasms kill people. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: back with more fridays with fugelsang on the "stephanie miller show." >> moving on to more businesses what act of unmitigated evil shall the republican party undertake this week? >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show." alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that vi

one of the things that has always occurred to me is alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives seems like a strange organization. it would make much more sense if we had a bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana, and those are things that we regulated one way, and guns were taken on with a different arity --prio it priority and a different organization that -- with a different priority and the different organization focus purely and totally on guns. we all know it is not the gun shows where most of this stuff bit happens, it is people selling guns to their neighbor or their house gets broken into. with the technology we have with guns, you could actually have trade-in programs where people guns for only guns that fired with the genetic coding that thewhy are we not making changes like this? last but not least, you made a good point that the gun industry and the nra are the people who inland a supposed to be monitoring. it is something that the coke -- time. -- the koch brothers do in kansas all the time. up, thatcan you address that out all? guest: let me address the way went the pond inlet the atf functions. the point that you raise is an interesting one, t

[applause] and since congress hasn't confirmed a director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearmss, they should confirm your u.s. attorney from minnesota, todd jones, who is here today and who i have nominated for this post. [applause] these are common-sense measures supported by democrats, republicans and independents, and many of them are responsible gun owners. and we are seeing members of congress from both parties put aside their differences and work together to make many of them a reality. but if there is one thing that i have learned over the last four years, it is that you cannot count on anything in washington until it is done. and nothing is done yet. there is been a lot of talk, a lot of conversation, a lot of publicity, but we have not actually taken concrete steps yet. last week, the senate held its first hearing since newtown on the need to address gun violence and the best way to move forward, and the first people to offer testimony were gabby giffords and her husband, mark kelly. they talked about how a complex problem like this has no single solution, but if we st

you've been checking in with your federal authorities here in washington, we know the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms lot of federal authorities are assisting local authorities in this massive man hunt. >> right, and it's a very tough situation, you can look at that picture right there and see the kind of terrain they're dealing with, so the most important question right now is he in a car or is he on foot? and if he's in a car he might very well be ease jerry to track for the authorities, if he's on foot, you can go behind those trees, you can go into crevasses. on foot it might be harder to pin down this man. you're right, wolf, it can mean just about anything, whether pinned down means he was in a two or three-mile radius and can drive there or is he pinned down in a house. i know that authorities would very much like to end this man hunt soon because this guy has proved over and over again that he's a pretty good shot. >> and he's armed with a lot of experience as a former local lapd cop as well as in the u.s. navy, he served in afghanistan. >> his experience goes back and he knows how to shoot t

we're not even allowed to get information from the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosiveslaws in washington are with handcuffs. the time for change is coming to washington. you see the president. you see the commitment there. >> you see 11 states are considering gun laws. you're going to washington soon. what's your message going to be to the nation? you're a national figure in this area. >> i'm working with our federal counter parts. i'm taking the information on what we've been ablg to do at gun shows. we have some other ideas that can help the national campaign. but from his re-election campaign, he's going out, he's advocating, he's using his voice. if the people are fairly represents, we're going to get change in washington. i'm going down there to talk to my federal colleagues, help them do whatever we can do to rally support. >> since newtown, 1612 people have been shot and killed in the 55 days since the newtown tragedy. 26 of those day were children under the age of 12. they're not making headlines the same way, but that's 29 people a day. after newtown, we're sti

and complicated threats in our communities. we use that intelligence for vigorously prosecuting gun crime, relying on close coordination with agents from the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and other state and local partners. we do more than arrest and prosecute. in communities where violence persists, we are forging partnerships for prevention organizations and supporting their important work. our strategy relies on a nationwide effort to keep guns out of the hands of prohibited persons. when licensed gun dealers run a background check on and every potential gun buyers, ensure that they're not selling firearms to felons, domestic abusers, drug users, people with mental health issues. but the background check system is only effective if it contains all relevant information from every source. the department of justice is working to create incentives and provide assistance to state governments, prime contribute is too deep background check system, to ensure that they put all relevant health records into the system. even if we find a way to get every record in, our effort to prevent criminals from getting guns is hampered by current holds in the background check system. vi

of actually enforcing current gun laws is abysmal. people lie on background checks and are not being prosecuted. out of 76,000 denied background checks, the fbi referred to the bureau of alcohol and tobacco and firearms, a burden of plea was reached in 13 cases. a law congress passed that encouraged the state's -- it has been a very spotty record of compliance by the states. we have people who were adjudicated, mentally ill, who would not show up on a background check because that 2008 law has not been adequately enforced. then there is this. we see a number of states like connecticut who have much more restrictive gun laws where some of these tragedies have occurred. we have not stopped it. you even have countries like mexico where you have 60,000 people killed as a result of drug cartel activity and criminals are not stopped by restrictions or law-abiding citizens. is not clear to me that passing more laws that will not be enforced enthusiastically by the department, and you look at the studies that have been done on previous assault weapons bans, and no evidence that it actually had any impact whatsoever, you say it needs more study. that is fine. i would be interested in what the study reveals. j

\[applause] and since congress hasn't confirmed a director of the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearmsnesota todd jones to that post. \[applause] these are common sense measures supported by democrats, republicans and independents and many of them are responsible gun owners. we're seeing members of congress from both parties put aside their differences and work together to make many of them a reality. but if there is one thing that i've learned over the last four years, it's that you can't count on anything in washington until it's done. and nothing is done yet. there's been a lot of talk, a lot of conversation, a lot of publicity, but we haven't taken concrete steps yet. last week the senate held its first hearing since newtown on the best way to move forward on gun violence. >> the first people to offer testimony were gabby giffords and her husband captain kelly. if we had a limit on magazines the gunman who shot her wouldn't have been able to shoot 33 rounds in 15 seconds. some of the six people who lost their lives that day in tucson might still be with us. changing the status quo

of factors. host: let me share with you and our audience these numbers -- these are 2011 numbers from the top -- the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. pistols, 2.6 million. 2.3 million rifles. a hundred feet -- 62 -- 862,000 shotguns. 573,000 revolvers. what do these numbers tell you? guest: we in america like to buy guns. it has been part of our culture and tradition. i understand that. i was an army cadet for the first two years of school. i have been hunting with my buddies. i have been to the range even more, and will continue to do so for the rest of my life. i think there are some simple changes, and in doing the background check on every gun cell, that i think will go a long way to keeping the second amendment for the people it was intended for and keeping guns out of the end -- of the hands of people who should not have been in the first place. host: this came up yesterday in our conversation with emilie miller, who had to go through an extensive process of purchasing a gun in washington, d.c. you have different patchwork loss. maryland is different from virginia and new york. pennsylvania is different than upstate new york

host: these are 2011 numbers, the most recent we were able to obtain from the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearmshich gives you the amount of firearms sold in any given year here in the u.s. pistol, 2.6 million. 2.3 million rifles. what do these numbers tell you? guest: we like to buy guns. it's part of our culture. i was army ro tmp c cadet and been hunting with my buddies, to the range and will continue to do so for the rest of my life. but there are simple changes like doing a background check on every gun sale will go a long way to keeping the second amendment for the people it was intended for and keeping guns out of the hands of people who have no business to have them in the first place. host: emily miller went through an extensive process of purchasing a gun here in washington, d.c., and to get a you gun in virginia is very easy. maryland is different from virginia and new york. pennsylvania is different from upstate new york or vermont. you can travel across these borders and see different laws in different states. guest: that plays part of the problem why guns that are used in crimes li

regulation, given back to the states, growers need a federal permit bureau on the one negative hero of alcohol tobacco marijuana and firearms. >> it is a lot be getting money to talk about this. marijuana can double the car crash rate. we need extreme policies. we should reform the worst part of our policies to be locked up in jail but we don't have to legalize it to reverse the wrongs. it is a public health perspective. gerri: you have been around this tree together but is marijuana a gateway drug? >> it is when it is illegal because people go to the same drug dealer in the netherlands ridges separated , you don't see that. regardless of the politicians being chicken, over half the country says let's regulate like alcohol. polls across the country, every street -- wasting resources. gerri: chillon map 18 already allow medical marijuana, a lot of the country is already on the page. >> but that parole marijuana law for the second time the average user is 32 year-old white male with no history of chronic illness. [talking over each other] >> let's go on to another area, the fact that these congressmen are saying we have $16 t

one of the things that has always occurred to me is alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives seems like a strange organization. it would make much more sense if we had a bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana, and those are things that we regulated one way, and guns were taken on with a different irony and a different organization that -- with a different priority and the different organization focus purely and totally on guns. we all know it is not the gun shows where most of this stuff happens, it is people selling guns to their neighbor or their house gets broken into. with the technology we have with guns, you could actually have trade-in programs where people traded their own -- their old guns for only guns that fired with the genetic coding that the gun owner could fire the gun. why are we not making changes like this? last but not least, you made a good point that the gun industry and the nra are the people who are lobbying, the people supposed to be monitoring. it is something that the coke brothers doing kansas all the time. -- the koch brothers do in kansas all the time. can you address that out all? guest: let me address the way the atf functio

and complicated threats in our communities. we use that intelligence for vigorously prosecuting gun crime, relying on close coordination with agents from the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and other state and local partners. we do more than arrest and prosecute. in communities where violence persists, we are forging partnerships for prevention organizations and supporting their important work. our strategy relies on a nationwide effort to keep guns out of the hands of prohibited persons. when licensed gun dealers run a background check on and every potential gun buyers, the ensure that they're not selling firearms to felons, domestic abusers, drug users, people with mental health issues. but the background check system is only effective if it contains all relevant information from every source. the department of justice is working to create incentives and provide assistance to state governments, prime contribute is too deep background check system, to ensure that they put all relevant health records into the system. even if we find a way to get every record in, our effort to prevent criminals from getting guns is hampered by current holds in the background check the sy

>> guest: well, with fast and furious, the questions about it not the border control, but the atf, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives allowed a certain number of guns, about 2,000 from what i understand, to go into mexico so that they could trace these guns. and the problem was that they lost track of some of these guns, and one of these guns was used to kill a u.s. border patrol agent which in a terrible, terrible way showed the success of fast and furious. and it proved that this smuggling of guns was not only being used to subvert the mexican government and the forces of law and order there, it was coming back to the united states and subverting our own law enforcement. so fast and furious is considered a terrible failure, and a lot of the people who are involved in it have faced dismissal and disgrace. however, it did show where those u.s. guns are going and how they're being used. >> host: related to the larger topic of border security, daryl rich says if the borders are so secure, why do we still have immigrants, drugs money and guns coming and going? >> guest: that's a very -- again, it coms to

case, yes, there's a multiple sales requirement that a special report be sent to the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearm and explosives and what that means is that they will actually look at that transaction whereas they're not looking at other transactions. host: do you support the multiple sales, raising kind of a flag? guest: no. actually we don't. we don't think that the federal government has a legitimate role in this, and it's not been shown that any of this infringement has done anything to fight crime, and if anything, sometimes these approvals are delayed and delayed and delayed. my name may be similar to someone else's name and if the government does not give a clear go-ahead, a lot of stores, a lot of dealers for fear of the reprisals from the federal government, even though it's legal to go ahead and sell a gun where there was maybe -- my name was the same except for a middle initial or something like that of another person, they just won't go ahead and make that sale. people are unnecessarily and improperly denied because of these inadequacies of the background check. so there are problems that