. >> christopher bogart is the ceo of burford capital., if they win. >> we are a multibillion dollar company because litigation is expensive. and there's an awful lot of demand from businesses for this kind of solution. >> so is it a loan? >> it's a nonrecourse financing. >> what does "nonrecourse"? what does that mean? >> what it means is that if the case that we're financing doesn't succeed, then we don't get our money back. and so it's different from a loan in the sense that a loan obviously you're always having to pay back the principal. >> if your side loses, you get nothing? >> that's correct. >> still, craig underwood was torn, because if he won the appeal, burford would get a big chunk. but, seeing no other choice, he took $4 million from them. soon after, he won the appeal and the $23 million. but then he had to pay his lawyers and square away with burford. >> we had to give them $8 million to pay for the -- the 4 that we got and the 4 that, you know, was their...um... >> did you think when you realized they were going to charge