hillary i think came in through burke marshall. mike conway came in through burke marshall. various people came in through burke and the yale connection, bill and hillary clinton obviously went to yale. well, it wasn't hillary clinton then. she was hillary rodham then. so burke was a key figure both in recruiting people and advising doar, and burke was a very sensible guy. he was a great assistant general judge of the civil rights division prior to doar having that position. i mets burke marshall actually, i worked in the summer of 1960. i graduated law school in '61. so i think i met burke marshall 14 years before when i was just a kid before i graduated law school even when i worked at covington and burling for the summer. and he was a partner. that was during the year that kennedy was running for president. this was 1960. kennedy hadn't yet been elected. i worked the summer of 1960. he was elected november of 1960. i knew burke slightly. he was a partner, a young partner. i was a second year summer associate. but i had great respect for him and he was a wonderful assistan