according to emac it lead toz burr - burrcratic bloat. >> college would cost less and kids would be taking on loans and service . instid uncle sam is making loans easier to get than pizza and kippeds end up with $50,000 and $100,000 in debt. >> rick, i know you want everyone to have college degrease, but what thyself lead to is college bloat. you are not in favor of that. >> here's the problem. you are mix being the questions with the answers. >> we think they are connected. >> i went to the ohio state university. thank you. you are right when you say too many kids going to college that would do better in trade school. but say we shouldn't make subsidies available to people who belong in college that's a problem. >> mike, there is it a connection with the billions of dollars. we are not talking small change. but it could bankrupt the nation or states. there is it a connection with the subsud -- subsidies and bloat. >> the subsidies raise the cost. it doesn't matter if it is it housing or ethnoil. it makes it less affordable and that's why you have all of the debt. that makings it - makes i