administrator burrwick didn't want to make cuts at cms.ecretary sebelius wouldn't give him money from the large slush fund she had. so he went to other agencies like the social security administration. he tried to bully me into paying for the whole system which was nuts. that was critical time. these systems -- and i have had experience building a lot of systems like this. we overhauled our electronics services when i was commissioner of social security. they take a long time to do right. you can't make up and do it at the end. they are in that position. the people trying to the run it now are stuck by mistakes made in 2010, 2011 and 2012. >> they missed the may 13 deadline when the program was to be presented and beta testing after that. we are way behind schedule. october 1 is rapidly approaching. what happens if there is no guarantee on security and we provide the personal information? will they force people to enroll and put their information at risk? >> well, it's not clear exactly what will happen. there is a hint they are resigned t