that again community completely failing to be able to sort out the crisis the political crisis in burundi and so i think it works when they wanted to work it doesn't work when the there just don't have the commitment to making it work i do what do you make of what mr armor said you know how much of a problem behind you know the cause of refugees and internally displaced people is the president's actually staying on for too long on the continent and if a superstructure is not the answer then you know then what is to address the underlying issues which cause internally displaced people and refugees. i mean i think you got to understand and i agree with my colleagues that you've got to understand what are the root causes i mean causation of why the conflicts take place and there's a number of reasons for this it's political it's political that that that leads to social economic it's basically power struggles and i think we can also ignore the fact that climate change has a particular. effect as well in terms of how it impacts on people but i think the first to be the political the social and

that again community completely failing to be able to sort out the crisis the political crisis in burundi and so i think it works when they wanted to work it doesn't work when the there just don't have the commitment to making it work this night or what do you make of what mr armor said you know how much of a problem behind you know the cause of refugees and internally displaced people is the president's actually staying on for too long on the continent and if a superstructure is not the answer then you know then what is to address the underlying issues which cause a.

now we have a crisis not in burundi, but in brownsville, in texas. that's a national emergency, something happening in africa that's relatively inconsequential to our country, then the crisis at our border, and it is a crisis, is at a clear and present threat to the united states and meets the actual definition of a national emergency. and also to neal's point about precedent, i think this is very important because i keep hearing this. a liberal president can take away guns from law-abiding citizens by national emergency. well, no, he can't. not by constitutional emergency. these national emergencies deal with external threats. they deal with terrorism. many of them are specific to iran, for example. this is an external threat at the border. it does not give the president power to act extra constitutionally against americans. in peacetime. >> steve, if a democrat becomes president and decides that climate change is a national emergency, you're going to be supportive of the president's power to do that and to direct funds to fight -- >> right. >> -- c

that again community completely failing to be able to sort out the crisis the political crisis in burundi and so i think it works when they wanted to work it doesn't work when the there just don't have the commitment to making it work miss neither what do you make of what mr armor said you know how much of a problem behind you know the cause of refugees and internally displaced people is the president's actually staying on for too long on the continent and if a superstructure is not the answer then you know then what is to address the underlying issues which cause internally displaced people and refugees. i mean i think you got to understand and i agree with my colleagues that you've got to understand what are the root causes i mean causation of why the conflicts take place and there's a number of reasons for this it's political it's political that that that leads to social economic it's basically power struggles and i think we can also ignore the fact that climate change has a particular. effect as well in terms of how it impacts on people but i think the first to be the political the so

that again community completely failing to be able to sort out the crisis the political crisis in burundi and so i think it works when they wanted to work it doesn't work when the there just don't have the commitment to making it work miss neither what do you make of what mr armor said you know how much of a problem behind you know the cause of refugees and internally displaced people is the president's actually staying on for too long on the continent and if a superstructure is not the answer then you know then what is to address the underlying issues which cause internally displaced people and refugees. i mean i think you got to understand and i agree with my colleagues that you've got to understand what are the root causes i mean causation of why the conflicts take place and there's a number of reasons for this it's political it's political that that that leads to social economic it's basically power struggles and i think we can also ignore the fact that climate change has a particular. effect as well in terms of how it impacts on people but i think the first to be the political the so

>> anthony: so unless i'm mistaken, the gentleman just said that cutting edge research moved to burundie the patrimony that existed. all this was state of the art back in the '50s when the library was built. but for 20 years, there hasn't been electricity to run the dehumidifiers to keep out the damp. through so many wars, through all of these difficulties, he has maintained this facility to an extraordinary degree. >> horeb: yeah, absolutely. >> anthony: uh, why? >> anthony: staff still show up to work and organize, catalogue, and write requests for funding, perhaps to kinshasha or a central office where someone may or may not ever respond. he was here pre-independence, yes? >> horeb: yeah. >> anthony: uh, does he remember the belgian, uh, rule? [ speaking foreign language ] >> horeb: oh yeah, he remember, he remembers the, that period of colonial life, colonialists, that, that was the good, the best time that they were living. [ speaking foreign language ] >> anthony: what do you say to someone who suggests that belgian colonialism might have been the good times? ♪ the road home, such

have to do with sanctioning individuals in countries that are very troubled, nicaragua, venezuela, burundi, yemen. the president will say, look, about 400,000 people were apprehended trying to cross illegally into the united states between ports of entry. who is to say that's not a national emergency? that's what he'll argue. >> bret: they have actually been 58 since 1976, if you look at this graphic. there are 30 that are still active. these are all the national emergencies that have been declared. president obama had 12 of them, including the bird flew emergency and others. take a listen to law enforcemenn national emergencies. >> i think declaring a national emergency when there is a national emergency is not good for the president to do. >> not smart word choice, -- >> declaring a national emergency would be a lawless act. >> i think it'll take all the legal authority in the world to do this. >> i think all of us will come to regret this. it's not the right way for the president to try and runaround congress. >> bret: word is senator mcconnell is still trying to prevent him from doing

did you know there is aner ncy still in effect bush put in blase place for the belanss objectnd for burundi it's a batad ste the congress wrote in 1976. i believe what president trump did today clearly fits within the national emergcy also act because it's so bro. >> he's legally, of course, allowed to but, by declaring an emergency, there is an insinuation there's an urgent need or crisis i somway. i'm asking you to explain what that emergency is, why this needed to be done now. >> now. h, okay. rtainly, certainly. well, as the president illustrated with the presence of the angel families with him, you know, we've hadultiple thousands of americans killed in the last decade by illegal aliens who commit homicide or are drunk driving and accidentally kill an american, every one of the deaths could have been prevented if the wal had been place, f our border ure. more sec in addition, you have the many deaths from the drug smuggling th a's occurrid then you also have multiple terrorists coming across the southern bordernto the united states and that's well documented, there have been prosecutio

-- somebody used the example of a situation president obama declared a national emergency for in burundiesidents have done this. why is this any different? >> two reasons. one is, all the national emergencies, many of them dealt with a foreign issue. none of it was to construct a large construction project. second, congress just handed him a bill where we specifically rejected billions of dollars more for building the wall. i don't see how the courts are going to say that somehow congress intended through a national emergency statute to let him do this end-around the constitution. that's why i think it will fail. let's say he wins in court. at the most, what this is going do is give him a one-time shot of $6 billion to $7 billion. and then that's it. from now on, every single appropriations bill that congress writes, we will prohibit him from using the money for the wall. he is never going to be able to build his $50 billion to $60 billion wall by doing it through this method. which is why he never declared a national emergency two years ago. >> it's interesting. so many republicans who