of the bush cheney years that were supposedly what i meant by president obama an executive order with him in the office. point that i make in my article and truth about him out yesterday is that this. covers up the fact that torture already exists in what is the alternative to the enhanced interrogation techniques that is in the current army. so you're saying and torture i already did that's what are some examples of torture that is already happening well very very few people in the press coverage of the pointed out that the army field manual divides prisoners into two different groups one are the standard for you or me others are people who are we were in terror the thingy those with out the geneva protections and there's a special appendix we're circumspectly them is known as appendix m. of the army field manual which originally was supposed to be the brits but overlooking it was. a republic then maybe some democrats. and this is the special techniques of use of long term isolation sleep deprivation. the sensory deprivation in. the international arena recently called torture instead

>> obama's rap that the bush- cheney policies were scandalous and criminal when they become the basis of obama's policy. >> the first round of stimulus created zero jobs. politifact and the congressional budget office says no, 1-3 million. >> women are the weaker sex. women may still make less than men for the same work, but that pay gap is now at a record low today. and today women make up a majority of u.s. college graduates and over the past 30 years women have started twice as many businesses. i am woman. they ought to be singing that. okay. best comeback? >> i got give it to newt. after tiffany's and greek islands and the loss of his staff, he comes back to be the frontrunner. >> gaby giffords to came back to cast the vote on the debt ceiling debate after her tragic shooting in january. terrific grip. >> i say the best comebacks are all the late gain dramatics forged by tim tebow, the single most exciting figure in american sports right now. >> gaby giffords. >> best comcastback. american fiscal responsibility. americans this year paid down that credit card and mortgage debt. ver

field manual that certainly do or compliant with any of it but none of these of patients from the bush cheney years there was just speaking of such as waterboarding nor are the ones that already are in in the. army field manual. which again is isolation sleep deprivation sensory deprivation putting god black out goggles and blindfold on your most of the proper program hours on end or more which research literature statements even the members of the former secretary. showed up. because the loser nations and serious problems. in the appendix were kind of an interrogation method and so this country is doing great now when they say we have to have medical experts standing by these methods are dangerous and i want to add. sorry to interrupt you there but they have to be the arguments proponents of torture. their arguments are all in the name of safety does the us need to go this route in order to stay safe from terrorist threats. well i'm not a consultant for the american. presence but. again this is a question if. the united states is already signed a treaty mentioned in scripture with dozens and

iraq war when their coverage was uncritical and really nothing more than stenography of what the bush cheney administration was publicly saying so it would be nice if we had an active vigorous media as paul craig roberts was just saying but i can't say that we really have it right no. we kill eeks has been an alternative for a while it may well go under given the legal problems the infighting and perhaps even prosecutions from the u.s. government but even if we can leaks does go under there are many copycat sites and like minded groups that are springing up that are one step ahead of the government authorities in and are able to publicize important information relevant information that the public needs to know so even if we can least goes under that will by no means be the end of whistle blowing in america and the case what does this say about the media and the role of the media in the united states that so much more information is exposed exponentially more information is exposed through through bradley manning there wiki leaks. it's been really eye opening for the public to see really what

and bush and cheney should be extradited to sweden to stand trial for war crimes fair is fair and yeah that's one of those little things that we like to call the fruits of elite immunity while joining us anjan bradley manning are held up as enemies of the state or criminals like bush and cheney get to live freely here in the u.s. being accused of leaking classified military documents that gets you to taint by the u.s. for over a year before you even see a courtroom and running a whistle blowing site as u.s. lawmakers calling for your extra. under the espionage act how about killing civilians ordering the torture of other human beings all that seems to just make you a hero so again there's no logic to that except for that those in power are treated differently than the rest of us and it's something the barack obama has been happy to let continue by deciding to look forward and not try to right the wrongs of the past now finally i want to respond to a kind of you or c.c. r.c. tweeted this show glad i found you on t.v. great program intelligence plus beauty want to meet my single son twen

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a senior strategist in the bush/cheney '04 presidential campaign. it seems that the republicans in the house now are endangering the brand of tax cutting in the republican party if they have met a tax cut. that gets 89 votes in senate but is not good enough for the house of representatives. >> the politics of this isn't great for house republicans because the democrats are clearly on the high ground of reasonableness here. and the proof point is all of the republican senators that voted for it. so when the criticism is coming from scott brown and it's coming from other republicans, it makes the work of chairwoman shultz pretty easy. it's not a great fight for republicans in the christmas season. >> and the congressional elections and senate elections are all about the marginal seats, the unsafe seats. most are in safe seats. the idaho senators have nothing to worry about. it's always going to be republican. but a massachusetts republican is not an easy place for a senator to hold on to a seat. especially with this strong challenge from elizabeth war

former senior adviser to the mccain/palin '08 presidential campaign and senior strategist in the bush/cheney04 presidential campaign and managed governor arnold schwarzenegger's 2006 re-election campaign. steve, with herman cain out of the race, how long do you think it will take for polls to stabilize in the migration of voters from cain's support to wherever they're going? they seem to be heading possibly to gingrich more so than romney. >> i suspect what you're going to see, lawrence, is a consolidation of support to newt gingrich. he will continue to rise in the polls, but he'll level off at a point. one of the things in some of the surveys out of iowa, today, is that there's no awareness, for example, that he took millions of dollars from fannie mae and freddie mac. it's a story that just hasn't penetrated into the electorate yet. what i think will happen is that there's going to be a very rigorous period of discussion between the reality of newt gingrich's record and his rhetoric out on the campaign trail. then i think you'll start to see his numbers come down a little bit and we're go

republican strategist steve schmidt worked on the bush/cheney 2004 campaign and ran the 2008 campaign. he's also an msnbc political analyst. and jennifer donohue is a senior fellow at the eisenhower institute and a "huffington post" contributor. both of you, thank you much for joining us. it's great to have two people on who really know the republican party well. let's talk about the numbers. another day, another new set of poll numbers showing newt gingrich gaining strength among registered republicans. take a look at the new quinnipiac data. in florida, a wide lead for gingrich over romney where he had to win, 35, gingrich, 22, romney. in ohio, this is fascinating. gingrich is 36% now, twice romney's 18. in pennsylvania, my home turf, gingrich is well ahead. i can't believe these numbers in pennsylvania. 31 over the guy we thought would be strongest up there, romney. no other candidate even broke the 10% mark in any of these three states. it really looks right now halfway through december as a two-person race. let's go steve schmidt, first of all. it really looks like newt right now

msnbc analyst steve schmidt, former senior adviser to mccain/palin campaign, senior strategist in bush/cheney '04 campaign and managed schwarzenegger's 2006 re-election campaign. thank you for joining me on this night of serious breaking news. steve, christine o'donnell finally announced. >> we shouldn't be making it this easy for you. i think, you know, the serious side of it is that's a senate seat that republicans should hold. but for her nomination, mike castle would have been the republican united states senator from delaware. there's an important lesson, i think, for republicans out there, sharron angle in nevada, christine o'donnell in delaware. those are races we would have won, but for nominating people who are totally and utterly unqualified for the offices they were running for. >> jonathan capehart, when do you expect the first mitt romney arm around christine o'donnell photo op? >> probably in mitt romney's mind when he's president of the united states and she's on a rope line. that statement from mitt romney's campaign read just like a hostage note. i mean, he needs to say that

republican strategist steve schmidt worked on the bush-cheney 2004 campaign and ran the 2008 mccain campaign. steve is also an msnbc analyst. dana milbank is a politico columnist for the "washington post." gentlemen, i want you to consider this. let's start with the news breaking this afternoon. late this afternoon. on fox news, mitt romney said he would not be attending donald trump's circus debate later this month. let's listen to mitt. >> no, i'm not participating in that. we have two debates in december that i've agreed to participate in. the rest of the month is going to be spent campaigning, doing the political work you've got to do to get the support of people in iowa and new hampshire, south carolina, florida. so we'll be hitting the trail. i spoke with donald trump earlier today, indicated that we just can't make this debate. >> and what did he say? >> he understood my perspective and wished me well. >> well, there you go. let me go to steve schmidt for this active at least cajones on the part of mitt romney. i'm impressed by anybody that stands up to this guy. it's not exactly like

abby stod guard for thehill.com and former bush cheney adviser. again, we're hearing the word of compromise. the democrats and president might be willing to make changes here, but many people still ask here. if the republicans are against a tax increase for individuals, if this payroll tax expires, that would mean middle class americans, families would see $1,000 added to the bill. that's a tax increase so why would the democrats compromise? >> that's why it's foolishness at this point to look too closely at the specifics. the payroll tax cut will be extended. the republicans will do this. the republican leadership began signalling aa week ago that they were going to do this. they didn't know how to convince their members, but it will be done. it is too much of a hit to consumer demand in the economy to have the unemployment insurance and/or the payroll tax cut expire. it's just not something republicans are willing to be blamed for. it will happen. the details will change many times between now and the 11th hour, but it's not a hit republicans ca

bush dick cheney and of course those who came after him including those from the obama administration that was. their policy and you know earlier we presented these statistics. portrays the way that the iraqis feel about the war after the u.s. has pulled out and a very very small percentage of the rockies feel that they benefited from the war who did benefit from this war well of course american military contractors hello burton those who go to the big contracts for the reconstruction during the occupation forces they made a lot of money the pentagon generally made a lot of money spent two trillion dollars i think that's the real budget then all that money goes to american contractors and corporations they profit but four thousand five hundred plus american soldiers died tens of thousands had life changing rooms you know as you'll report there are rising tide of american suicides among some american military people who've been deployed over and over again and the big losers are of course the iraqi people they lived at peace they had a nationally unified country they had relative afflu

the record was al qaeda that before 9-11 we treated it as that. >> the president vice president bush and cheneyunderstood after 9-11 there is a war. we have to do what keeps the nation safe. >> here is what president he said. >> my belief is we will be greeted as lib greeratorliberat. >> we were greeted as liberators then we saw a massive flooding dangerous insurgency again. it wasn't frankly until we were able in 2006 with the surge to adopt the counter insurgency strategy to turn things around. >> pre weren't greeted as liberators we were greeted as tentative. >> no it's not true. how many people were out there when a statue of sadam hussein came down. you know how man snee? >> couple hundred. not thousands. right after the statue came down they were looted and terrorists came in and they took all of his arms. >> i know how much you care about no spin. i think it's really important here. sadam was an incredibly oppressive dictator. the iraqi people were glad to see him go. there were elements from his regime that stayed in place elements from al qaeda and iran who were there who launched a ve

that charge could almost that without any question of intent be a peek directed at president bush or cheneyor rumsfeld people i'd say who were indispensable to recruiting for al qaeda and that's still true in our occupation of iraq and in our escalation of get is that certainly not charging. the president or any of these people with intending to aid the enemy that if you're going to ignore the question it is this charge has and it is i say i say it applies to them better than it does to that and so that's an absurd shot on the question of changing their opinion people who think that he was wrong simply to disobey regulations whatever is intended and whatever the impact those people probably could not change their opinion to meet him just as negative opinion and i live with that. i think there are they're mistaken but that's their intitled to that opinion the fact is though that in the middle east i'm sure that he. it is not bradley manning but the source of the wiki leaks documents whatever that is is very much appreciated in tunisia and egypt the revelation that the american government was