about biden versus obama, one thing worth remembering is that in many ways, biden got the job precisely because he seemed too old to ever run again. it was as much as bush had with dick cheneysort of disrupting that model of the vice president having future political interest of their own. the big thing about joe biden in my mind, joe biden has always been a consensus democrat. he will basically be where the democratic party is wherever it goes. in that sense, i agree with liz. it does not surprise me that this is where he has ended. i was telling people during the primaries that this is where i thought that, where i thought he would be. there are some obvious things with joe biden, and joe biden is old, he is an old, white, catholic man who has a very genial personality. even people who are trying to demonize him now have a hard part getting past that. barack obama was a young black man with a foreign sounding name rooted in arabic. very different people. it is not surprising to me at all that things, he is a different person, american politics reacts to does two different people differently. that is obvious. the other thing is, and this is one of those examples -- some ti