. >> you can hear the frustration of the businessowners the one you just spoke to. you can see folks emerging with bottles, though i don't know whether the business is actually open selling liquor at this hour. >> reporter: it doesn't look like there's a lot of legal transactions going on inside that establishment right now. >> you can hear the frustration of the businessowner you just spoke to. we've been hearing it all day from others that they say the police are not there. they're not stopping -- that they are there but they're not stopping the looting, and in one case a cvs was burned other businesses have been targeted. are they under some sort of an order to not intervene? >> reporter: well we don't know what the police have been told but we do know what they're doing. you see the liquor store that's being looted. remember all the police were on this corner just about five or ten minutes ago when your show started and if you look where the police have now moved to all the way down the street they didn't have to go. they clearly have the upper hand in terms of

tell that that her. >> tell that to the businessowners.ne of the things that i think the left has done repeatedly in these big cities is they want to put more none into programs. that would be fine if those programs were working but what's happening is the businesses that want to be in baltimore, might be their hometown see opportunity there, they get so squeezed they have no choice but to shut down or move. if you denton't have businesses you won't have jobs. it's a cycle. it gets down to the root cause that no one in government talks about enough and that is the family structure. we know this from -- >> nobody knows how to fix that. >> government can't fix it. government has to be a little more humble to know we need the faith-based community to come in and help these families. >> but you know -- we've been watching this happe ferguson baltimore and beyond. when it popped up in ferguson the answer was it is a white police force with a white power structure in a black city, and that is volatile. that's explosive. and that needs to change

. >> nbc 10's george spencer tracked down a businessowner who knew the victim.ght he's live at police headquarters. >> reporter: yeah, jim, police say the motive was robbery but the suspects ended up stealing nothing after their deadly shooting. this is a mugshot of the alleged gunman a teenager only old enough to be in eighth or ninth grade. philadelphia police say 14-year-old sahmir walker is charged with murder and his 15-year-old neighbor kyquail duffy with aggravated assault and related offenses. two youngsters living steps apart in these hill creek apartments now at the center of detectives' murder case. >> scary thinking of children that age to do something like that. >> reporter: their neighbor was sleeping late thursday when investigators tell us the gunmen fired 12 shots at a food delivery man who tried to drive to safety but crashed his car nearby with bags of undelivered chinese food inside. charges against the two boys were announced today just hours after police confirmed they were in custody for questioning. the suspects' young ages shocked even i

this was about businessowners that don't want to choose between their christian faith, their sincerelyligious beliefs and being able to operate their businesses. now, what they don't want is a government to force them to participate in wedding ceremonies that contradict their beliefs. they simply want the right to say we don't want to be forced to participate in those ceremonies. so i was disappointed you could see christians and their businesses face discrimination in indiana. i hope the legislators will fix that, rectify that. >> i think he was joined there by rick santorum. a couple guys thought that was the right way to go. our panel members, ryan grim, jeanne cummings and john brabender. we have to start with you. >> i knew you would. >> you're a rick santorum guy. i mike rick santorum. i find it hard to figure out where the courts are going to end up here. is it okay -- we agree if you open up a convenience store on the open, see a couple gay fellows come in, looking for gum. for everybody to come to a -- everybody has to be allowed in. then to get the catering and ordering up sp

so how do you think this is going to impact small businessowners?ocratic strategist, jessica is with us and from the fox business network, our sister network, melissa francis. so you want to raise the minimum wage? >> i do. not necessarily to $15. >> we can reasonably talk about $10.10. i think that -- >> is your idea it has to be a livable wage, for the minimum wage? >> i believe it has to be a livable wage. >> i started as a dishwasher in a restaurant getting less than minimum wage. >> i don't think that was a good situation either. >> that was a good situation. i got a little kid beer at the end of the night. in all seriousness, i don't think minimum wage jobs were ever designed for people's careers. >> but they have ended up that. it's a myth to say it's only teenagers earning the minimum wage. people over 60 are earning it. >> 52% are actually students. more than half of them are under the age of 25. it's supposed to get you into the workplace. but i think part of what you're saying, if you raise it to $10.10, we're just talking about a lot of

but let's not start vilifying businessowners just for running businesses. >> no, there's -- >> i need if there's stuff going on behind the scenes here. >> there's another side to it. >> don't let hannity be our death is what he's quoted as saying. >> that's what i'm saying. >> criticizing the coverage is wrong. that's why jon stewart was wrong. ironic to say, hannity you guys did a good job. you did the only job. you were the only down here. all these other people re-tweet, look at pictures, they repeat google searches. journalism today for half of these people is just pontificating. the only crew that went down there and witnessed this thing with our eyeballs was you and you had to leave early because you were so disgusted. >> and, sean, there really is a responsibility. you've got a license, you're serving alcohol. there are certain things that withdrew you have responsibility. one, the proper security. then the second one is don't serve them where an alcohol will occur, but the alcohol consumed at his place, went out to that beach and committed a ra perkspe, bring that right back o