so they looked at chaplin or buster keaton or laurel and hardy. it was about silence.t was a good way for them to hone up animation skills. >> chaplin said mickey mouse is going to put me out of work. the mouse could do, magically, almost anything. >> meanwhile, the studio was their rival. they're grittier and dirtier and a lot of weird characters. >> it had a tendency to feel more adult than the other studios. betty boop had this garter that fell down and slipped up. there was a sex component to her. when popeye and bluto fought, it was very violent. >> popeye, as far as art goes, it's a funny drawing. it makes you laugh. >> i'll squish your brains out, you bet. >> and he wasn't nasty or violent or anything, it was just he got put upon. he was not looking for trouble. meanwhile, he could kick anybody's butt. >> popeye cartoons had a beat to them. you can almost tell they're made with a metronome going back and forth. all moving with the same beat. it was fantastic. this is fleischer in the '30s. >> i'm popeye the sailor man. >> walt disney was the only one who was gen