or for any any country you engage in conflict, i'm often reminded of one of my favorite movies butch kasdy and the sun dance kid. when he's pulled into a fight and he says there has to be rules here. the same as in terrorism. it's a point of pride that at the height of nazi power, the uk is phasing down the might of the german army and they decide not to employ torture because it knows ultimately it would be successful. on the flip side if you study the uk behavior in ireland, there's certainly a lot of abuse to go around and then some. and on the flip side, the u.s., lots of people here are proud of the fact we faced down the odds after 9/11, it's a different age, we're willing to do different things. they only waterboarded three people. only three. and not for very long because they found out it wasn't effective. some people would say abusive interrogation works, then why don't you do only three people? it's no where needs the end of the spectrum. you can walk around london and buy a pack of cigarettes everywhere and everybody is going to see you because there's cameras everywhere. why w