likely, butthan there is a possibility that given a federal judge's order, she would testify. we will have to consider all of those possibilities. she had information is not willing to give it to us. thank you. >> today, what i wanted to make clear that from the very beginning, this has been an effort to blame the white house claiming the white house targeted political enemies of the president. irsave interviewed 38 employees. hundreds of thousands of pages of documents. plus and counting in man-hours have been expended in addressing the various investigations in regard to -- still, there has not been any evidence whatsoever that there was political motivation in regards to these efforts. evidencehere been any with regard to the white house or having anything to do with what the irs was doing in this case. what i was trying to get to apparently, the attorney ms. lerner had said at some point he might be willing to give a proffer. it is basically an attorney saying what his client would say. -- i wouldat least have loved to have heard the answers to those questions, too. but a