together, managed correctly, it all can be the ultimate answer. , byould be, in the next 2030, we could be completely self sufficient in terms of just oil and gas. there is no question about that. >> what do our allies in the middle east to say about that? >> that is a great question. for 40 years, our friends in the middle east have said, and they've told me this, so this is not guesswork. we have had an oil security deal for 40 years. some have concluded from what's going on in the middle east and how we handle, how we respond to syria, how we respond to egypt and how we respond to the arab spring, because we now have a much brighter future than when we were dependent on opec, that we are somehow less interested in their region. that's a conclusion that they've drawn. >> you would want to dissuaded them of that notion. >> i think we should dissuade them of that notion. the middle east is the most dangerous spot in the world. i think secretary kerry is doing as good a job as could be done in terms of focusing on those issues. and we need to reassure our friends and allies not just in ,