byrd has just become majority leader. howard baker told me the story that the first time he went on a foreign trip as a young senator, he criticized lyndon johnson while he was abroad. and he -- abe ribikoff of connecticut was on the trip with him and he quietly took howard aside and said, howard, i've always found we don't criticize the president when we're in a foreign country. doesn't matter who the president is. and baker said to me, the way he did it and the wisdom of what he said meant a great deal to me. baker took in the lessan but they became very, very close friends, and in the book there are times when you will see baker and ribikoff collaborating to get things done. it didn't matter that one was a democrat and one was a republican. >> so the sense of a senate past unions a -- bastion is a body trying to work for important national goals in a bypass -- bipartisan way, people think does not exist today. talk about that and the contrast between what people perceive today. >> i think the bipartisanship was really deep in the dna of that senate. we were always -- at the staff level we were always told, if we came up with an idea -- i was