. >> byron wien. >> i don't know what happened to him -- kidding.ital spending and productivity, i read the article. earnings are coming down. you have to ask yourself, what's the right multiple in this environment? i think it's closer to 15 than currently 17 1/2. >> except yields are negative. you have no other place to earn. it means they trade at a premium, in my view. >> it makes it a little bit scary. no alternative. >> it's why we've gone sideways for a year, right? because both of these things, if you listen to byron, listen to you and i, you could argue that both of us have been correct at some point in time. the market's gone back and forth. i happen to think it spills over. but both of these things are occurring at the same time. that's what makes this market so difficult to trade. >> when you look at multiples, if you just trade, know nothing else, trade in a vacuum, look at the multiples, the market has been buying 16, 16 1/2 times, selling 18, 18 1/2 times. we're somewhere in the middle at that point. i would guess that the fair multipl