c. c . i mean there is a reason why the u. s. actually signed the wrong treaty. i mean it didn't ratified, but the us very actively cooperates with the i c. c as it did in the case of gadhafi. and as it overseas doing in the case of ukraine, ah, now what the us insists on is that nothing is ever done against the us. the way the i c c works is that if you don't accept the jurisdiction, they can't investigate any alleged crimes on your terror trip. but somebody else who does accept icpc jurisdiction can go and issue a complains and say that you committed crimes on their territory. so that was why the, the previous chief prosecutor, the been suda said that she was going to investigate the claims of torture in afghanistan as well. that obviously would refer to the united states after what the united states heard this basically absolutely crazy. you know, are there you do this? and then of course, she was banned from entering the united states. the united states. you book threatened to impose sanctions on all states that had ratified the i c c. and then of course, george w bush had already signed into law a provision that mandates the united

c wanted to investigate us forces war crimes in afghanistan. now correct me if i'm wrong, but this seems to me like the u. s. coercing or forcing the i c. c to drop the investigation. dissuade them. if i'm being generous, what do you think you have to keep in mind that the m, the united states, i does not accept the jurisdiction of the i. c. c. you know, neither those russian, neither does china. neither does india. ok. on the other hand, the united states cooperates very actively with the i c. c in directing it against others. so you know, often you know, these do go to types, you know, who think that it's a great idea to have these on international tribunals. they are saying, well yeah, i mean, so, you know, it's great to have international tribunals. what you might say needs to cooperate with it. i mean, it's a, it's not good. the united states doesn't cooperate with the united states. very actively cooperates with the i c. c. i mean, there is a reason why the u. s. actually signed the wrong treaty. i mean, it didn't ratified, but the us very actively cooperates with the i c. c. as it did in the case of gaddafi, an as it overseas doing

the i c c u. c. as a long history of doing washington's bidding, the same court washington refuses to be part of, ah, discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, george samuel in budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and in america we crossed to martin jay, he's an award winning journalist, an commentator for a gentleman, cross up rules, and the fact that means you can jump in and tell me one. and i always appreciate it . when i start out with george in budapest, i'm, i'm so i'm sure you're not surprised say any more than martin and our audience that the lisa, what, what indictments accusations have been leveled against russia. i'm please explain what the international criminal court is. because after all, the united states is not in the ukraine, is it in and russia, isn't it? so why is it important, or maybe it's not? well it's, it's very important to appreciate that the international criminal court was actually a creation of the united states.

c c. but what a ukraine did, he says, well, we will recognize i c. c jurisdiction on crimes committed against us on our territory. so therefore, we will be happy to cooperate with you in order that you'll be able to prosecute people who have committed crimes against 1000. i said, i find that that see, we're dealing with this to be sure clear. george, but crimes that they may or may not have committed themselves with it. i take the yeah, exactly. so it's, it's what they, they claim these are crimes committed against us. so you can, we will, we're happy to provide you with the evidence and then, and you know, you can go investigate the people we want you to investigate. and of course, when you read this arrest warrant and then the statement by this ridiculous figure was the, the president of the i, c. c. it's entirely based on the accusations made by the ukraine government. i mean, as they have done no investigation of their own, the simple taken it, as is absolutely true. the claims that russia has been abducting children and taking them against their

it isn't gonna happen either the i c c is doing exactly what the i c c was set up to do, you know, eva, we can learn, you've already mentioned in the program, and i think it's very interesting. and it's prescient on your part is that these are western driven institutions, primarily almost exclusively, out of washington here. and of course, there may be western publics that don't know, any of the nuances that we have already discussed on this program. they seem like good, i'm a good institutions a well meaning, you know, it's like nerd trials and all that. but, you know, it's one of the things that we have all learn of through the course of this conflict in ukraine is that most of the world, the global majority global south, whatever you want to, they're saying this is just another level of hypocrisy. ok. i mean, you know, african leaders, you know, they, they know what the i, c, c of they're looking at africa. they know that, you know, it's going to be photos of the, of the europeans and of the americans. ok. it's very, very selective. and, you know, even though you and i, all 3 of us

c. c. come back into into action with possible war crime indictments against individuals in russia. as far as i know, once the i c c does that, it's those charges are never rescinded. i mean, this is again, deepening, widening the breed chair of no return to any kind of amicable relationship between russia in the west. and again, it's the west that wants this. they want a complete breach. ok, hope thinking that, you know, russia is isolated, but i would posit, is that the more of the us and nato allies do this, the more they're isolated from the world, not russia. lawrence, go ahead. i have a very us jaundiced view of the i. c. c. why do i did to work? learned about it in 2001, 2002 in 2003. and i learned about it from a very, very good source, john bolton. it was then under secretary of state for international security and ours control. united states did not subscribe to the i c c publicly because the united states knew that underneath the covers as of or it was going to influence the i c. c to do its bidding, and that's precisely what it began to do. you notice we went after black african leaders. we didn't go

c. c publicly because the united states knew that underneath the covers as a war, it was going to influence the i c. c to do its bidding, and that's precisely what it began to do. you notice we went after black african leaders. we didn't go after any white people until we got into the balkans. and we had people like melissa bitch and craddick and others who were quote, worth going after, unquote. the i, c, c was a 2 of the united states in every respect, just as the you in is often a 2 of the united states. when it does, it's bidding. so the i, c, c is not something i look at as an organization bit to do justice in the world. and i'll give you an example of concrete example. when i was in paris in 2019, the germans brought some people over to talk to us about torture. that was our all sensible purpose for being embarrassed with the germans also brought a young lady who's a brilliant prosecutor for the i c. c. and she was in the 1st stage of her investigation, were prosecutorial regulations and rules don't really hurt the investigation. so she was free to do what she wanted to. she was bringing a ca

c. c. is it in the hands of the collective west, which is always willing to carry out pseudo jurisdiction based on their orders of a i. c. c was set up 21 years ago and is based in the hague. the court has tried and convicted people of war crimes, notably in africa. the former yugoslavia. it's jurisdiction is recognized by a 123 countries, but not by russia, china, the us and israel, among others. a short time ago i spoke to the i, c. c. the president asked him if he thought the warrants might ever be executed. so the issue that may know the international criminal court has not had their own enforcement mechanism. and in respect to the enforcement of the decision and judgements of the car needs to rely on the corporation of states. so it's obviously disabled. there are arrest warrants, or, or so after the arrest forms of the issues that are on vacation to all the c. 123 states parties and the states have the legal obligation to cooperate fully with the court according to their own standards, which may never happen according to unless they say there's a good chance that these restaurants will never be executed. what impa

c never ever became active. the former chief prosecutor with the lady from gambia missus for to ben soda. she had been trying to turn the i c. c, a into a little bit of broader to restriction by also referring to crime happening in the middle east. but she was put under tremendous really tremendous pressure by us government. so there were efforts, but let me, let me remind you that i think it was about 2 years ago. the us government even said no reason, no travel permissions, or i c. c. officials work towards the u. s. so, a tremendous decree of instrumental i station this international crime court when it comes to the timing of this, i see a warrant is quite interesting. you're coming, you know, 2 days ahead of the chinese presidents much anticipate a visit to moscow. do you think the visit will be affected and also do you think there's a message trying to be sent here from the west to, to beijing? another countries that have close ties with russia could be i wouldn't exclude that . it's not that vehicle. incidence that today on friday evening that was issued because as far as i've been observing over the last few months, a c

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so tell us, what is the next step in terms of the i c c proceedings? and the next step is waiting until this arrest, the international criminal court does not have the possibility to try a person in that sense. yeah. so the prosecutor will continue to collect other evidence, and then he has to wait until putting a surrender to the international criminal court. professor stephanie balk, thank you very much for your time. thanks. and vladimir putin is due to welcome china's president choosing, paying for talks in moscow next week. the visit will be, she's 1st to russia in nearly 4 years. a kremlin official says the 2 will discuss the conflict in ukraine as well as military cooperation. the visit signals a show of support for russia, as putin face is increasing international isolation. turkish president, wretched type ardon has finally given his backing to finland, joining nato that clears the way for turkey's parliament to ratify finish membership. but so far to one has given no indication, you will also accept sweden's bid to join the alliance. turkey a

so tell us, what is the next step in terms of the i c c proceedings. and the next step is waiting until this arrested international criminal court does not have a possibility to try a person in that sense. yeah. so the prosecutor will continue to collect other evidence, and then he has to wait until putting a so rest a surrender to the international criminal court. professor stephanie balk. thank you very much for your time. thanks. dear mon chancellor. olaf shoulds is in tokyo for a trip aimed at strengthening economic ties with japan. shoulds has been meeting with japanese, a prime minister for me to shita. you are watching live pictures from a pet press conference with schultz and the japanese prime minister. earlier the pair discussed ways to strengthen economic security and reduce dependence on chinese raw materials. they've also talked about the war ukraine dw is nina hossa is in tokyo and she told us more about those talks. economic security is the headline for these very 1st german, japanese inter governmental consultations taking place in toky

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c. c. does it have more than just a symbolic meaning, and is it realistic that we will see prudent on trial in the heck? yes, more than a symbolic meaning district putting freedom of travel, he can't travel to other states who are members of the international criminal court because he must fear that he will be arrested as soon as you arrive there. and we're seeing so many unlikely things in international criminal law. so why not a trial against hooting? well, as we know, russia doesn't recognize the jurisdiction of the i, c. c, but many other countries do. so how do you think this will affect his behavior going forward? i think we're now use a warrant. another 2 to integrated in this propaganda saying this is just another form of the west to a tech russia from a hello for a national criminal court as a weapon in this war. so for now, again, what we'll see in the future there are, there may be possibilities to and plus the service board. so tell us, what is the next step in terms of the i c, c, proceedings. the next step is wait until the rest of the international criminal court does not have the possibility to try a person in that sense. yeah. so the prosecutor will know, continue to collect other evidence, and then he has to wait until putting a rest, a surrender to the international criminal court. professor stephanie balk. thank you very much for your time. thanks. and vladimir putin is due to welcome china's president jean paying for talks in moscow next week. the visit will be, she's 1st to russia i

c. c over crime committed on territory. and right now we know that 42 i c c members have on the organizations to investigate. that means that the crime committed during the russian special ministry operation in ukraine or within the competence of the court. but quite obvious that if we talk about russia, ty, writing official, it will be hard to bring them to justice because the court kind of process cases sense. yeah. so the trials, well are going to be pretty, pretty hot, say, probably say to process, you'll yes, approval over there speaking to us with moss from moscow, with the russian perspective. thank you so much. judy. now meeting on and turkish president recipe. babylon says he will now support finland's, been to join nato, and up and after his meeting with the finished president, sally, in any sto, and ankara said that the turkish parliament will begin ratifying how think he is bid to k had previously blocked both been and, and sweden's bits, citing security concerns often, and president sally in the service says that the bid would be incomplete wit

c. c to issue arrest warrants for quite some time. my. they been working together with the cranium, prosecutor general, who immediately tweeted, welcoming the saying that they've been giving thousands of documents to the i. c. c . working together to try and build a case that would lead up to these kinds of moves. quoting 16000 children, at least that have been forcibly to ported, abducted from ukrainian territory and into russian held territory. so very much welcome saying is just the beginning pointing out to the top leadership of moscow and that there, it will be accountability. it is, of course, as we know in the past, not that easy, but certainly hugely significant that this is now been issued by the i to see an arrest warrant for the russian president. and as you heard our colleague james basing, i think you'll be speaking to him a little bit later. you know, when it comes to international conferences and, you know, president putin traveling to other countries. this now completely changes the game on that. indeed, look, stephanie is lawrence, as you mentioned, relates specifically to the treatment of children being taken across the border to russia. what's now happened to them? yes, is very difficult

i think the i c c prosecutor will continue to investigate other crimes and we'll see a rest words more arrest warrants against more officials soon. and we'll also see, i think more charges against putin as soon as well. that was international criminal lawyer. wayne jo, dash in key point, we really appreciate your insights. thank you very much. thank you. meantime, des, ukrainian military says russian mysteries have been trying to break through ukrainian defences in several directions that seen an attempt to encircle the eastern city of back moat. ukrainian forces are still withstanding russian assaults on the ruined city. dark mode has become a focal point for 8 months of russian attempts to advance through the dawn, yet greeting moscow's thoughts. that forces have captured the cities eastern part, but have so far failed to surround us. go now to our correspondent nick connelly in cave. ne. good to see you. talking about dark mode, the u. s. think tank the institute for the study of war. it's saying that the wagner groups offensive is likely nearing culmination. what do you make of tha

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c c. and that we support the officer, the prosecutor with whatever it needs sta, appealing for support. the i c. c. 's chief prosecutor said the very concept of international justice was as stake. da da, if we don't at this moment in world affairs cling to the law if we don't look at ourselves and decide how we can do better, not just in ukraine, but as nations as member states of the united nations. we will not only miss an opportunity, but we may not have further opportunities. high on everyone's agenda was the 1st major step on that journey. arrest warrants issued last week for russian president vladimir putin. and his children's rights commissioner charged with the illegal deportation of ukrainian children in russia's response a day after president putin, 2 of the ukrainian city of murray of poll now. and the russian occupation was to issue criminal charges against the i. c. c, itself for ignoring kootenai immunity as head of state under international law. so the chief prosecutor of the i c. c. kareem khan has urged countries here to find the stamina to deliver international justice. but th

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c, c had jurisdiction, but didn't do anything to bring those guilty. little account driven with copious russia does not participate in the rome stature says good. the i c. c. 's. jurisdiction does not cover russia, and it says guys who we consider all the documents from his body as a legal up and for him to use her dish or the un security council meeting began with a rather dramatic interaction. russia had put forward to speak, a humanitarian activist from the don at people's republic. and we saw the united states and its allies maneuver with a bow to prove that this person from taking the floor at the security council meeting and briefing about the humanitarian situation in the don at peebles republic. now, the russian ambassador was quick to call out this maneuver for what it was censorship and silencing of the truth that the un security council zuniga stood. we regret the fact that a number of delegations today have spoken out against that. don't ask human rights speaker. we propose and broom, we see in this the manifestation of hypocrisy and double standards at a time when representatives of dumbass have been suffering from this war unleashed by ke

c. c's warn't meaningless. the charges are the says that the i c. c has even laid against the heat of a permanent member of the you insecurity council, russian president vladimir putin and his commissioner for children's rights. and now wanted for war crimes. there alleged to have been responsible for ukrainian children being forced from the occupied cities and seemed to live in russia. judges f reviewed the information and evidence submitted by the prosecutor and determined that the debt are credible allegation against dees persons for the alleged crimes. dicey c is doing it's part of work as a court of law. the judges ation arrest warrants the execution depends on international cooperation. the charge is being welcomed in ukraine, where officials have been sounding the alarm for months. while he is older, they are suspect in the illegal forced transfer of ukrainian children. this means that from now until his arrest president of russia as the head of a terrace, his tid will be afraid to travel outside russia because of the possibility that he will

c. c, inside ukraine? it's ongoing probes there. all of that is to be discussed here. kareem khan said ahead of this summit the i c. c simply doesn't have unlimited resources, it does need help. but he outlined very clearly the court's commitment, saying if reliable evidence has been brought together and gathered, and if there is no exonerating evidence in mitigation, then criminal, then the court will not hesitate to act gentle with that update. thanks so much, jenna. there are plenty more had here on the news are including ah, please out enforcing kenny as the opposition holds demonstrations against the president and the rising cost of living. the white islands, parliament has been dissolved the head of a general election in may in sport, barcelona school. what could prove to be a decisive goal of the race to win the spanish lead time ah enormous risk for switzerland. that's how the leader of the 2nd biggest party in parliament has described the takeover of credit suisse by its main rival, u. b. s. the comments came at the end of a tense weekend as bankers regulators and government officials struggle to save the s

c. c onset probably not rusher is not a signatory to the i. c. c. some countries that it still does business with are those like south africa? what happens for instance in august, if president putin as expected attends a brick summit? there in august, south africa would be under the obligation to arrest him. and it also raises questions. as the prosecutor kareem con, pointed out about the very concept and efficacy of international justice, the window of opportunity to be climate change is rapidly closing. extreme weather events will only get worse unless the world acts now to secure a livable future. for all the soc predictions are outlined in a un report that's expected to shape climate policy in the years to come. i environment editor nick clark has the details in every country on every continent, the climate emergency is taking hold. this is milan away, hundreds dead, hundreds of thousands displaced. the cause a record breaking cycling on the other side of the world in argentina, endless brutal heat compounding droughts with farmers facing losses,

the i, c. c said it's in connection with allegations of war crimes and ukraine. the criminal has called the move up righteous and alex. it's been a fresh sell off of global banking stocks on friday, despite support shown by big us lenders for smaller robin 1st republic bank. yes, president joe biden is holding the congress to most of the punishments on bank executives. right. police of clashed with angry protest is in paris for a 2nd, with demonstrations outside parliament against pledge forms. on thursday the government bypass parliament pushed through a plan to raise the retirement age. $62.00 to $60.00 full turkeys president rush of ty, bowden says he will now support finland's bid to join. nato announcement came off to his meeting with finished president saline sto in ankara. odon said, the turkish parliament will begin ratifying helsinki. been the swedish foreign minister says anchors decision to only ratify finland's bid is regrettable. turkey had previously blocked finland and sweden's bench, citing security concerns. with finance president says nato membe

c c says this is the 1st step in ongoing investigations into the war in ukraine, but russia doesn't recognize the court kremlin spokesman dmitri prescott said the decision was null and void while ukraine has not signed up either. it accepts the i, c. c has jurisdiction for crimes committed in its territory since 2014. what president putin's unlikely to appear in court any time soon. but the one means he could be arrested if he travels to one of the $123.00. i. c. c. member states are dramatic editor james bass has more from the united nations. as soon as the way she vladimir putin, president of russia, a superpower leader, and now a wanted man for the alleged war. crabs of deputation of children from ukrainian occupied territories entered the russia physician. the president of the international criminal court announcing that arrest warrants had been issued for 2 russian officials. one of them, mister putin, human rights activists were quick to welcome the news. this is an amazing day for the many victims of rushes war crimes against ukrainians since 2014 because this war has been going on. since then, almost a decade. vladimir putin is now officially a wanted man. but at the same time, the arrest warrant for president putin almos

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c. c. once the russian president and children's rights commission and the doc call alleged war crimes charges. the have claims the officials are responsible for deporting children allegations previously voiced by key. if the i c. c, easter restriction is not recognized by countries including russia, china, and the us. here is the reaction from russia's foreign ministry spokeswoman. decisions of the international criminal court have no significance for country, including from legal standpoint. russia is not a participant of the room statute of the international criminal court and has no obligations under the statute. russian does not cooperate with this body and possible recipes for us from the i. c. c will be null and void to us. let's discuss this with our guess. the 1st laughter don kovachick human and labor rights lawyer. many thanks for joining us on a program down. so plenty of countries don't actually recognize the have decisions i've includes russia, china and even the us. so what's your take on the ramifications of this arrest warren's? well, 1st of all, i think it does have serious ramifications because when you call or an immediate investigation in arrest of sitting world leader like blad him, you'r

c. c has also issued an arrest warrant for russia's commissioner for children's rights scene here with her boss vladimir putin. the i, c c, says the to bear criminal responsibility for the abductions and deportations. the kremlin coffee allegations outrageous former president dmitri medford of even compared the warrants to toilet paper. moscow says it's saving the children, ukraine, calls it genocide, or is dillard dignity to separate children from their families. when was to deprive them of any opportunity to contact their relative allotted day, not to hi children on the territory of russia. it would be to disperse them to remote regions with all this is obviously russian state policy, state decisions and state evil which starts exactly with the top official of the state. our zelinski is hailing the i c. c decision as historic, according to official ukrainian figures. russia has forcibly taken more than 16000 children, local and international authorities believe the actual number is likely much higher . at the allegation is they have been taken, or by, by road to a, by train, into the russian federation. and they've b

into iraq, where the i c, c had jurisdiction, but did absolutely nothing to bring the perpetrators to account the russian federation is not to party to the rome statute. the i. c. c. last jurisdiction piece of the russian federation of citizens considered. we consider any body any warrants from these than from this body as illegitimate and invalid, and null and void on all indicators i. c. c has really taken the path towards self liquidation, 1st and foremost with respect to its authority and international recognition. and are we, this is an obvious judgment and i will approve of providing a quote of the us adviser on that was national security. john fulton, dating 2018, was rude. he said, we will allow the i c, c to be independent ultimately in every respect, it is not there. thank you. are good. the representative or the welcome back, which been listening in life to the russian envoy addressing the un security council who highlighted again house and within countries of reaping substantial profits from weapons sales and the conflict with ukraine. and therefore, find the conflict is too profitable to wanted to end any time soon. he also spoke about how western

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c. c. and has no legal obligation to cooperate with it. moscow's rejection of the charges came quick and fast portions, pre secret tracy, the decision was null, and void. former president dmitri mid the div, compete the erased warrant to toilet paper. while the charges, i get another condemnation of putin's invasion there, i'm likely to bring any swift justice ukrainian children in russia. i asked war professor yvonne mcdermott, reese, what consequences the i c c decision could possibly have for russian president vladimir putin? yeah, i think the biggest consequence of they certainly examined for his colleague, maria, but the above and below that he's been and also subject to an arrest foreign today . the biggest consequence for them is that it becomes more difficult to travel internationally. so the international criminal court has a 123 state parties. and now every single one of them is under an obligation to transfer peace in or am the children's commissioner to the court in the hague to stand trial. should he traverse any of those countries and that includes, you know, strategic allies of russia includes most countries in all countries, in europe and south america, a lot of countries in africa. so of course, you know, the, the responses to be exact as like, we're not a pyre seats this course, we recognize that. but i think they inherently ad conversations with gus. this is sad. this has consequences in the criminal. we expect the crimina

c. c onset, probably not. russia is not a signatory to the i. c. c. some countries that it still does business with are those like south africa? what happens, for instance in august, if president putin as expected attends a brick summit there in august south africa would be under obligation to arrest him . and it also raises questions as the prosecutor kareem khan pointed out about the very concept and efficacy of international justice that they're all focusing their minds on. now kareem khan said at the start of this that countries here needed to find the stamina to deliver justice, calling the conflict in ukraine, a moment of reawakening for the i. c c system. he said this needs to be a moment when we realised that if we don't cling to the law, we may have nothing to cling to in the future. jonah, thank you very much. we have lost our connection to join at our general house in london with the latest had conference on the i see see plenty more head on the news hour, including banking stocks in europe and asia tumble. why wall street sense mixed signal

c. c. you know, to do this is the prejudice polish biased and non competent and international body which has once again demonstrated how damaging and invalid it is. the i, c, c, the pop it in the hands of the collective west, which is always willing to carried out to pseudo legal pseudo jurisdiction based on their border. the russian federation is not party to the rome statute need missing the i. c. c. last jurisdiction used to be the russian federation of citizens. consider we consider anybody any warrant from the 7 this body as illegitimate and invalid, and now employed. meanwhile, ukraine present automated landscape. welcome to this decision from the icpc is. this is a historic decision that will lead to historic responsibility the head of a terrorist state, and another russian official have officially become suffix in a war crime. in the people taishan of ukrainian children, the illegal transfer of thousands of our children to the territory of a terrorist state in the criminal proceedin