c. doug bando senior fellow at the cato institute, i'm from oslo. glenn, decent professor of international relations at the university of se norway, gentlemen, welcome to the program. i'm a rec that start with you. so g 7 lead us will stand with ukraine for as long as it takes, as long as what takes what is it? the g 7 leaders want on how long is long? well, all these questions have not been answered yet. what we saw was a strong signal and that's the symbolism of some itself. that kind of sometimes feel a bit like 20th century as if we are not having phone calls or so meetings . so it's more like we send a signal, but we don't go into detail because everyone is affected differently across the sanctions. and everyone also has a different agenda or is more or less careful with all the balances that need to be considered. doug, what do you make of it? how long is long and, and what is it? the g 7 leaders actually want here? i think they even know clearly perspectives differ in the different capitals. countries are affected differently. they have diffe