c. stewart: november 17th? >>president tan: 21st, oh, i think we're cancelling that meeting, so december 5th. >> okay. i would recommend, commissioners, that the department prepare written findings that support the commission's decision; that the department exchange those findings with the permit holder two weeks before the december 5th meeting, and that the permit holder have an opportunity to respond to those findings, and that the commission's decision in terms of the actual suspension not be final until those findings are adopted by the commission. do feel there's no -- so there's no confusion as to when the decision is actually app l appealable to the board of appeals, because it is appealable to another board. so those findings would state a date by which a suspension would start. >>director weiland: may i approach? i have one question. >> okay. yes. wi >>director weiland: i just wanted to call out that you did miss one of my charges as you were going through, permit c, any agent of the permitee failed to