c.e.o. barbara krumsiek and began by asking her what tests a company has to pass in order to qualify as a socially reonsible investment. >> there are about seven different areas that we look at. the environmental environmental practices of the company diversity practices broadly speaking workplace practices human rights policies at overseas operations. indigenous people's rights. governance and community activities. there's a whole range of analysis that together form a profile of a company from a corporate social responsibility view point. >> susie: is it fair to say that if it's not investing in a company than it is sociallyer responseable? >> we don't like to at it this way because we think every company has the potential to be a socially responsible company. in fact one of our strategies is called sage. and in that strategy we will own almost any company but we will dialogue, we will communicate with the company and let them know where we think they could do better. so i think there's hope that every company can have a very strong environmental social governance profile. >> susie: so i since t