you can c.l. franklin roosevelt developed -- you can see how franklin roosevelt developed that. it is leonard silk writing in the new york times where he famously said in this present crisis, government is the problem. government is not the solution. people forget the introductory phrase. that reagan wrote seemed to be having a direct dialogue with franklin roosevelt. later, 2009, peter baker in the new york times wrote about obama's first inaugural, that he seemed to be in dialogue with president reagan. what we see is an arc of the american dream that if it comes down to a single thing, it is whether there is more emphasis on individual initiative or whether there is a balance between individual initiative and a sense that when we fall down, when we cannot do things ourselves, that government ought to be there as a backdrop. we see that in fdr in the new deal and we see that in barack obama. let me give you an example of this if i can of the pragmatic liberalism and pragmatic conservatism about government views. quotation -- a a couple quotations and you tell me who they are f