why are they bombing me because i'm english and they're german. >> rose: did c.s. lewis have an influence on you? >> yeah, he wrote "the four lovelies" which is a book i highly recommended. there are words you can be christian or not christian. the definition of pride, the definition of sin -- or the definition of soul. the idea there is a core piece of yourself that with every decision you make, you change that core piece of yourself into something more holy or more degraded. you can take that concept and don't have to believe in god or not but he uses more or less secular language to describe parts of our moral architecture that is just clear and so common sensical of any faith it is supreme. >> rose: but he came to a one to one relationship with jeez. >> he definitely became a christian. took a long time for him to get there. for him, he said christianity was not a warm religion, it was a high longing and was also a lens through which he saw the world. he had a very writer's approach to faith, less ecstatic and more -- >> rose: indeed, indeed. so tell me back to what

>> guest: nefarious plot is contemporary homage to c.s. lewis. he was passed by hell with destroying the united states over century ago. he is so confident his plan worked he connects all the dots, names names, talks about philosophies, institutions, you know, movements that they either started corrupted or co-opted in order to accomplish the demise of the united states as a superpower. and he is so confident that the plan has worked, that he has written it all in this book, in vivid dei will at that. he connects every dot and our inability to believe that it is true, to think this is paranoia, this is conspiracy, this can't be right, that is how he will convince his master the devil, we are done and his plan has actually worked. >> host: steve deace appeared on c-span many times, if you're listening to nye iowa you recognize the voice from his radio talk show. what, what prompted you to write a book? >> guest: i was in the shower getting ready to do pr for my last book, rules for patriots and this idea popped in my head. my best or words ideas c

but as c.s. lewis pointed out at led him from being an aetheist to believing in god was poking fun at christians, saying, wouldn't it be easier to admit there cannot be a just god, when there is so much injustice in the world, after doing that for years, this brilliant man finally realized, if there were no just god, if there were no absolute in the universe, standard of justice and injustice, right and wrong, if that standard did not exist, then i would have no way of knowing whatsoever that njustice even existed. a man he illustrated, lind from birth -- if a man is blind from birth, then he would not ever know what light was like. if there were no absolute standard of justice in the universe, we could never know when there was injustice. we just wouldn't know the difference. but there is that standard and as he points out, although some have a more heightened understanding of justice and injustice, of fairness and unfairness and some of those standards differ, it doesn't mean the standards don't exis