something i know about c.s. lewis through divine revelation he describes getting into a cab coming out a completely different person and i am paraphrasing there. under that conversion experience he can share truth through well-crafted metaphor andve sto. however if it's divine revelation. can copy and the 21st century thank you. >> great question. so when the letters publication is what gets them famous in the united states is in the cover of "time" magazine after that. the junior demon attempting to steer with dry ingredients to put one in the mindset of hell. in the first she said you are relying on the reason to try and get your patient. human beings do not rely on that anymore. they used to believe they relied on reason if they persuaded something is true they would change the lives and now they don't. so lewis will still believing in then legitimacy and writing boos that were on miracles and in christianity and to some extent. he shifts his approach to a more fictional narrative in one essay heow says of you tell

talks on them this week in father newhouse said, you know, there are people who can stop reading c.s. lewise who can't. and the latter are eventually thought to be lewis scholars. and so in my own life, i know there's i'm always got something by lewis, but then i'm just consistently impressed with his insights here, there and everywhere there are some things i think he got wrong, which is a different talk, but most part i think he's remarkable and i think that's because he lived through languages and books and in the different epochs and eras. he was able to read. you know, he said he sometimes found himself thinking in greek for those of you who know another language, you to the point where, you know, when you if you were an american, you wake up his writing and you think he'll play, you know, you know french, if that's what comes. he's what he this was inhabited those things and then he also you know he lived a life at oxford that was kind of the protestant version of a monastery. right. he wasn't married every night to dinner, was with other scholars. he was asked by oxford to write the

the project, but it has been the opposite, and i think that probably the reason for that is that c.s. lewisavorite author and he said that we only know that a line is crooked, because we have seen a straight line. so if we believe as my friend john dixon says that jesus wrote a perfect symphony and every note flawless, but if you hear somebody on the street playing the tuba or trombone territerri you say oh, that is awful but the symphony is perfect. so, i am seeing what is wrong with the church, i am continually reminded of what is right with the church, and that is jesus. >> it is a thoughtful project and reporting. congratulation, and thank you so much. it is good to have you here. "the kingdom and the power and the glory, the age of extremism." >> tim alberta, one of the best reporters out there. thank you. >>> and now, in a jury where rudy giuliani has been found guilty of defaming two election workers has just received ananother rebubuke. ststay tuned. . (♪♪) (♪♪) (♪♪) get exclusive offers on select new volvo models. contact your volvo retailer to learn more. >>> all right. breaking t

lewis -- c.s. lewise rather famously that we know what a crooked line is, because we know what a straight line looks like. i think for those of us who are followers of jesus, we know what the commands of jesus are and we understand how we are to conduct ourselves as his followers and how we are to engage the world around us. when we see the church straying from that, i think we have an obligation and responsibility, lovingly but firmly, the call that out and speak that truth to power. that's all i try to do here. mind you, i am as flawed and imperfect as any of the people i write about in the book. in fact, more so. i am not infallible. i know i have made my mistakes, certainly even in the pages of this book. i hope nonetheless god can use me as a vehicle to help do exactly what some of these other folks are trying to do in these other books you are describing, which is ultimately to turn our eyes back to jesus and away from some of these ephemeral distractions of this world that have become idols to us.

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c.s. lewis wrote rather famously, that we know what a crooked line. we know that a line is crooked because we know what a straight line looks like. and i think for those of us who are followers, jesus, we know what the commands of jesus are and we understand how we are to conduct ourselves as his followers and how are to engage the world around. and when see the church straying that i think we have an and a responsibility lovingly but firmly to to call that out and to speak that truth. the power and that's all i've tried to here. and mind you that i'm as flawed and as imperfect as any of the people i write about in the book. and in fact, more so and i'm not infallible and i know that i have made my mistakes. certainly even in the pages of this book. and i hope that nonetheless, god can use me as as a vehicle to help do exactly what what some of these other folks are trying to do in their own way. in these books you're describing, which is ultimately to turn our eyes back to jesus and away from some of these sort of ephemeral distractions of this world

this is, of course what c.s. lewis wrote the narnia books he started with this picture, whatever it is, the opening of the story has to serve reason you have for writing the story next tell the story without shilly shallying about you know something really cool happens chapter three. but your writer doesn't know that unless you give reason to think that there will be something cool happening with the promise of more to come. you got to get them to turn the pages once told them that something cool is coming, you'd better deliver something cool but that's that's a different issue make it consequential have later events because they're motivated or shaped by earlier ones casual causal or consequential link is like theresa says i feel cable holding the narrative together or the string holding a rosary together. actually theresa is also a beta and made this rosary actually she's a catholic as it happens, as recycling characters, you know, when your people in later events preference to the characters, you've already got, see

c.s. lewisry to get this right and course correct and let the outside world know who jesus really is and what christianity really looks like, i think they'll realize that it bears no resemblance whatsoever to what we've seen in recent years. >> "the kingdom, the power and the glory" the age of evangelicals in an age of extremism. tim alberta, thank you very much for coming on. thanks for writing this book. >> thank you for having me. >>> coming up, award-winning filmmaker martin scorsese joins us to discuss his new film. e jo us to discuss his new film i p with my doctor, and i'd weighed in at 345 pounds. my doctor prescribed a weight loss drug, but as soon as i stopped taking the drug, i gained all the weight back and then some. that's when i decided to give golo a try. taking the release supplement, i noticed a change within the first week, and each month the weight just kept coming off. with golo, you can keep the weight off. i'm andrea, founder of a boutique handbag brand - andi - and this i

and that is the great tragedy in this, mika, i would say, is that c.s. lewisw what a crooked line looks like only because we have seen a straight line first. those offous who follow jesus know what a straight line looks like, and this is not a straight line. if we can try to get this right and course correct and hopefully allow the outside world to see who jesus really is and what christianity really looks like, i think they'll recognize that it bears no resemblance whatsoever to what we've seen in recent years. >> the new book is "the kingdom, the power, and the glory: american evangelicals in an age of extremism." it officially goes on sale tomorrow. "new york times" best-selling author and staff writr at "the atlantic," tim alberta, thanks for coming on. thanks for writing this book. thanks, tim. >> thanks for having me. appreciate it. >> take care. >>> coming up on "morning joe" -- actually, tomorrow, by the way, republican congresswoman, former republican congresswoman liz cheney will be our guest to discuss her new book "oath and honor." >>> and still ah

c.s. >> yes. and i remember when cs. lewiss and he gives them very serious presents, actually. so he's a serious. >> was it coca cola that made him more port jolly? >> because he they basically what they did is every month, every month would of every month they would sort of try invent a little bit more try and invent a little bit more and closer to christmas they would do this would get he would do this relevant pictures and relevant sort of pictures and they made them more they did. they made them more portly. them portly. they made them more friendly. you first portly. they made them more frien at. you first portly. they made them more frien at those you first portly. they made them more frien at those early you first portly. they made them more frien at those early pictures first look at those early pictures that we you, looks that we showed you, he looks quite doesn't quite sort of stem, doesn't he? and father christmas a and father christmas is always a jolly but it always goes jolly figure, but it always goes back to th