c.s. lewis. by the way what does c.s. lewis' appeal to conservative's and libertarians? >> well i think a lot of it is at least there's a faith component to him and he's very smart so he explains things very deeply. he was a smart man and so i think there's a certain level oo appreciation for the way he expressed things because he made the concept bright in the minds of his readers. c.s. lewis quote of all tyrannies a tyranny is to sincerely exercised for the good its victim would be better to live under robber barons. the rubber parents cruelty. sometimes slink it. those who torment us in their own good will torment us without end. they do so with the approval of their own kind. >> they are some of that goes on in there's people out there who feel of violating people's constitutional rights is a good thing and they are doing what's right and they don't feel guilty about it. if they did something they thoughtro was wrong they might have a limit on what they were going to do. an e example might b

. >> host: you also quote c.s. lewis. what is c.s. eal to conservatives and libertariansesome. >> guest: well, i think a lot of it is at least there's a -- component to them. and he's also very smart. he explains certain things, i think, are deeply. he was a smart man. and so i think there's a certain level of appreciation for the way he expressed things because he made the concepts vivid and bright in the minds of his viewers or readers. >> host: here's c.s. lewis. quote, of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. it would be with better to live under robber barons than under imnip tent -- [inaudible] may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own goodwill torment the us without end or for they do so with the approval of their own kind. >> guest: i think this is some ofeo that that goes on. there are people who who feel that violating their constitutional rights is a good thing and they're doing what's right so, therefore, they don't feel guilty about it

you also quote c.s. lewis, by the way, what is c.s. lewis appeal to conservatives and libertarians? well, i think a lot of it is, at least to me, there's a faith component to him and he is also very smart. so he explain certain things, i think very. deeply. he was a smart man and i think there's a certain level of appreciation for the way he expressed things because he made his concepts vivid and bright in the minds of his hearers or his readers. here, see, lewis quote of all a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. it would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. the robber cruelty may sometimes sleep. its cupidity may some point be satiated. but those who torment us for our own goodwill torment without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. yeah, i think there's some of that that goes on. there are people out there feel that violating people's constitution of rights is a good thing and that they're doing what's right. and so therefore they don't feel guilty about it. whereas

here's c.s. lewis quote of all tyrannies tyranny sincerely exercise for the good of its victims, may the most oppressive. it would better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. the robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, its cupidity may some point be satiated, but those who torment us for own goodwill torment without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. yeah, i think there's some of that that goes on. there are people out there who feel that violating people's constitutional rights is is a good thing and that they're doing what's right. and so they don't feel guilty about it. whereas if they were doing something they thought was wrong, they might have a certain if will limit on what they were going to do. an example might be them if really angry, they might strike someone that they're angry with, but they wouldn't kill because they realized that's going too far. i can do that. but if you're if you approve of your actions, then there's no limit

you also quote c.s. lewis, by the way, what is c.s. lewis appeal to conservatives and libertarians? well, i think a lot of it is, at least to me, there's a faith component to him and he is also very smart. so he explain certain things, i think very. deeply. he was a smart man and i think there's a certain level of appreciation for the way he expressed things because he made his concepts vivid and bright in the minds of his hearers or his readers. here, see, lewis quote of all a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. it would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. the robber cruelty may sometimes sleep. its cupidity may some point be satiated. but those who torment us for our own goodwill torment without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. yeah, i think there's some of that that goes on. there are people out there feel that violating people's constitution of rights is a good thing and that they're doing what's right. and so therefore they don't feel guilty about it. whereas

here's c.s. lewis quote of all tyrannies tyranny sincerely exercise for the good of its victims, may the most oppressive. it would better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. the robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, its cupidity may some point be satiated, but those who torment us for own goodwill torment without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. yeah, i think there's some of that that goes on. there are people out there who feel that violating people's constitutional rights is is a good thing and that they're doing what's right. and so they don't feel guilty about it. whereas if they were doing something they thought was wrong, they might have a certain if will limit on what they were going to do. an example might be them if really angry, they might strike someone that they're angry with, but they wouldn't kill because they realized that's going too far. i can do that. but if you're if you approve of your actions, then there's no limit