c.u. workshop. i agree with that. but i want to add another workship. i sent an email about three weeks ago and i testified on how you deal with emails. and how you deal with public records. you need to have some kind of a work session. i don't want to wait until october for a commission discussion. i think staff should do that. they know who -- who the people are to contact. those of us who are the major users of the planning department, the coalition and the neighborhood network, and have a discussion about now documents are available. i personally believe you're in violation of the law when you don't have documents available when you put notices out. there's been a court case on that. so it's very frustrating to have a notice be up and to request documents and get back a staff response of -- we have 10 days to respond. this is for a notice in the paper or a notice posted that you don't have to give the documents. you have to do special extra credit to get documents in a meaningful time frame. and it's really hard had you have a notice going up and th