senate committee will have graphic techniques of torture used by the caa after 9/11. >> the report ishe first public accounting of the use of torture during the war on terror in the aftermath of the september 11 attacks. the u.s. use so-called enhancement techniques. the work was often outsourced at secret black sites to secret governments. waterboarding was one method of torture use directly by the cia. george w. bush said it had to be done. >> in the war on terror, intelligence is one of the most crucial tools for our defense. they captured terrorist has information about a plot against our homeland, we need to know what he knows. >> the bush administration rarely use the word "waterboarding." barack obama acknowledged the u.s. had used unlawful means. >> after 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. we did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks. >> tears come in for strong criticism himself. defenders of the bush era actions say torture brought about information. no intelligence was obtained that could not have been gotten by noncoercive means. >> the u

. >> another critic -- former caa director -- caia director. >> to say that we relentlessly over an extendedime lied to everyone about a program that was not doing any good, that tarnishes the image. >> this will probably be the biggest story in politics. will this torture report be a one-way story or bigger? >> first of all, this would not be this big of a story it wasn't for the act we had this reporting from bloomberg view that said john kerry called the committee to say i want you to delay the publication of this report. that has blown up into a bigger deal with all these bush people out in force. kerry just wanted her to inform him when she was going to put it out. i think that is blown the story up to a bigger level. >> this is going to be a partisan fight. the american people are totally conflicted because they don't want torture. they don't want lying to congress but at the same time the only thing they wanted after 9/11 is america to be kept safe. i think tolerance for some of this stuff is going to be pretty high. >> i will tell you one reason why it is inside the beltway scrap its

the caa pushed back on this since 2005. finally it's coming on out. and nonpolitical - who is going to do it. this is what congress does. they scrutinise the activity. there's no other body that could have done this. the c.i.a. couldn't do it. internal conflicts. always going to be political. congress has the responsibility. mr haden has another take on this. he was the director of the c.i.a. during a period of time when torture was being used. there's a personal conflict there being involved. >> the last question on the political nation on the report that haden commented on. do you think it would have come out once the republicans took over the senate. it's now or never. there are still a number of republican leaders that would have wanted to release it, i don't think they would have had the votes needed to get a release. it had to happen, else the american republic, the world wouldn't have seen what happened. thank you for your time. thank you >>> let's move on to other news, and a frenchman kidnapped inmli three years ago arrived home. serge is the

well, there's the caa here, the zichl aviation authority in the uk. unlike other things in europe, it is controlled by the european union group. you still have airspace that you are completely in control of so the caa would have done it. nats is the management company that manages the airspace. nats, that's the company whose system, however it happened, has failed. and that controls such a critical part not just of the uk but of the world's airspace. this is something they're going to have to be investigating. we have had this failure before, i have to say, a few times over the years as the system was upgraded. nats is something we all keep our eye on. i don't remember this kind of situation where at least we were told in the beginning that they would close the airspace out right, not since ash cloud of 2010. it sounded in the beginning to be quite a dramatic step to take. least now we're being told the airspace is open but restricted. but if you're flying from denver or l.a. or seattle your flight may not take off because they may not want you to sta

the clouds parted in september when the inform caa lived the bowl ban much this afternoon they went bowlinge bronx. pinstripe bowl at yankee stadium penn state bc20 seconds left in regulation. 45-yard field goal right there. that is money game tied at 24. bc first possession in overtime. tyler murphy the touchdown throw. eagles go up six. but watch the extra point right here. it's missed. that's huge. nittany lions down six instead of seven. penn state next possession. christian hackenberg connects with kyle carter great catch in the end zone right there. game tied at 30 30. it all comes down to the extra point can he do it, yes he can. right there. everybody goes crazy. thicken dressed in jerrick jeter's locker stall in pre-game pre-game. hackenberg the mvp. final 31-30 penn state. peter laugh vo was fired last year by the flyers three games into the regular season. he takes on his old team as the coach of the national predator. flyers 14-14 and six. second period flyers down one. watch claude giroux. gloves it. shows off all the skills. his 12th tally of the season. game tied. two man adv

to do with,ces have what impact do you think this will have on people who work for the caa? ia? may worry, i'm not sure what i have authority to do? >> there are a set of things i worry about. let's take your consequence first. it may be the most important. cia officers about questioning their orders and not following through. having doubts. they areers do what told. they follow orders. it is future cia leaders and current leaders that i am worried about. can current cia leadership or future leadership, in good conscience, ordered their officers to do something that might be close to the edge? that they believe might get overturned or questioned 10 years from now? can a cia leader asked their people to do that? that is a tough question. there are things cia is doing today, not going to talk about them. i worry, downgs the road, somebody might say, the there was a legal justification -- was that the right thing to do? with that moral? -- was that moral? i worry about somebody pulling the rug out from under the cia and the future. >> what is the lesson here? other thanto be, findi

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also, the man who oversaw the interrogation program, jose rod rodriguez, the former director of the caas national clandestine service. this sunday on your local big fox station. check the tv listings. >> ed ins are offering a $10,000 reward. looking for any information in the case of a teenaged girl who burned to death on a rural road in mississippi. a local crimestoppers group is offering a separate reward of $1,000. the girl's family, planning to hold a funeral for her tomorrow. investigators say somebody burned her alive and torched her car. the girl's father says she told firefighters the name of her killer right before she died. but police have not arrested anybody. prosecutors say they're having trouble finding a suspect because there's not a lot of, quote, street talk about the case. >>> well, the heaviest rain the west coast has seen in years is making a deadly mess in california. families are trying to outrun the mudslides that threaten to wash away their homes and change that landscape forever to come. we'll go live there. stay close. this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but al

the caa is engaged in incredible ofounce -- amounts intelligence activity. we have the national security agency, which is part of this picture. the defense intelligence agency. there are lots of other intelligence parts of the puzzle. the cia is one key one. they're looking at lots of arenas of threats and figuring out how to identify and manage those threats and informed the president on how to take action. ofy scan a vast number things. what we're seeing is not even in play today. everyone and knowledge is that whatever tactics were used during this particular time during the bush administration are not being used today. have a lot of friends in the cia and have tremendous respect for them and their sense of purpose and duty for the country. hopefully this will be, in my view, and anomaly we will look at. we could go back to a time where we look at some of these practices and we should worry about that, but on the whole, i think it would be wrong to step out of this and think that the cia is some cancers institution that is not serving the nation. it is do

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