if you can see this icon here from the eastern orthodox church in caana, where jesus turned water intowine. a deeply devout eastern orthodox person would not just see a picture of one of the ancient saints or martyrs - that's a window into heaven; that's a window up through theosis that draws the believer into an identity and relationship where that line between identity and relationship is erased and they are one in that spirituality. and we'll find that in christian mysticism. we'll talk to a woman who is a christian mystic and also practices these. so interesting stuff, and that's why i've just devoted a whole second class to it. let's just get the notes out the way and then we can come back and talk about perhaps some of our own experience in this area. another interest facet is, well, how do we describe religious experience or mystical experience? the word ineffable comes to mind you cannot speak of to it. well, part of it comes back to our little roll-in on the holy - we have to have things, so we speak of flowers and rivers and how the river runs into the ocean. but there is som