kathryn hammond was the director of the cabinet office unit in charge of emergency planning in 2020. any consideration of full national lockdowns? i no, there wasn't, because the pandemic flu scenario didn't make that an effective tool. there was therefore a failure to think about in the way- that other countries, - particularly in the far east, had done, countermeasures such as... ..mandatory quarantines? yes. shielding. social restrictions. yes. border controls. yes. there was, as you say, - a complete lack of imagination. yes. i had to overrule the initial advice not to quarantine people being brought back from wuhan. i mean, it's madness. in his first appearance at the inquiry, sir chris whitty, england's chief medical officer and one of the most recognisable faces of the pandemic, is repeatedly asked to slow down for the stenographer taking notes. given the importance of the answer, i please keep it as slow as you can. i i apologise. the very big new idea was the idea of a lockdown. sir chris says it was almost impossible for scientists to plan for the idea of a national lockdow

kathryn hammond was the director of the cabinet office unit in charge of emergency planning in 2020. of imagination. yes. i had to overrule the initial advice not to quarantine people being brought back from wuhan. i mean, it's madness. in his first appearance at the inquiry, sir chris whitty, england's chief medical officer and one of the most recognisable faces of the pandemic, is repeatedly asked to slow down for the stenographer taking notes. given the importance of the answer, i please keep it as slow as you can. i i apologise. the very big new idea was the idea of a lockdown. sir chris says it was almost impossible for scientists to plan it's a very radical thing to do. mandatory quarantine. really big thing. i would have thought it would be very surprising without this being requested by a senior politician or similar that a scientific committee would venture in between emergencies into that kind of extraordinarily major social intervention with huge economic and social ramifications. a question we hear throughout is whether planning in the uk focused on the wrong type of pand

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office, direct involvement with him personally. this is somewhat strange. ordinarily this kind of thing would be handled by cabinet secretary or president of the united statesgation very, very late so the chances of covering things up or the chances of use whack the fbi did against -- using what the fbi did against trump for-remember there were fisa taps, none of this is happening in this cames it's open hearings where somebody has to say something on camera and the biden administration has had weeks, if not months to prepare themselves. they're harvard and yale law school graduates, maria. they're hardly likely to leave a trail of bread crumbs for a congressman to recover in open hearings. they're assuming the biden team is stupid. they're not stupid. maria: michael, it's great to talk with you as always. thanks so much. >> thanks, maria. maria: all right. michael pillsbury. we'll be right back. u know, people always ask me, "kevin, what does being the ceo of cashbacking mean to you?" it means cashbacking every opportunity. did you cashback on this? like i wouldn't cashback? cashbacking by the basket, i see you. ugh. i dreamt you didn't cashback this fligh

we don't impeach the president or cabinet secretary because you do not like their policies and you surely do not impeach an officer of the united states just to placate the most extreme wing of the political party he it is time to move from this sham impeachment effort and do your duty as overseers and legislators. present biden's fulfilling his duty and secretary mayorkas is doing his job. the republican majority doesn't like what they are doing or how they are doing it then they should get off their soapbox and work with democrats to pass by persons for security and immigration legislation. mr. chairman i mr. chairman i yield back. the gentleman yield. other members of the committee reminded their statement may be put in the records are pleased to have a distinguished panel of witnesses before us today and they asked that her witnesses please stand and raise their right hand. do you solemnly swear that the testimony you will give before the committee common security in the united states hope how several president spoke the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god? let the record reflect that the witness

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