host: one of the other major cases is called masterpiece cakeshop. this is a religious liberty case. explain the background of that case. guest: this is kind of a fascinating case. it's about a christian baker in colorado who is asked to make a wedding cake for a gay couple and he refused to do so based religious beliefs. the gay couple then complained and the state civil rights commission sanctioned the baker for discriminating against the couple. so the question in this case is whether the baker has actually a free speech right, although it has kind of a religious overtone the case really comes down to free speech, which is the baker's free speech saying because making a cake is a reli of creative expression, kind of like writing a song or a poem or something like that, that he should be able to have a say in what he says and that if he doesn't agree with the thing that he's being asked to do he shouldn't have to do it. with host: we have utah senator mike lee who clerked for justice alito and talked about this case. here's a look. >> i view this a

host: one of the other major cases is called masterpiece cakeshop. this is a religious liberty case. explain the background of that case. guest: this is kind of a fascinating case. it's about a christian baker in colorado who is asked to make a wedding cake for a gay couple and he refused to do so based religious beliefs. the gay couple then complained and the state civil rights commission sanctioned the baker for discriminating against the couple. so the question in this case is whether the baker has actually a free speech right, although it has kind of a religious overtone the case really comes down to free speech, which is the baker's free speech saying because making a cake is a reli of creative expression, kind of like writing a song or a poem or something like that, that he should be able to have a say in what he says and that if he doesn't agree with the thing that he's being asked to do he shouldn't have to do it. with host: we have utah senator mike lee who clerked for justice alito and talked about this case. here's a look. >> i view this a