haven't been able to use these calendars for 50 or 60 years and in the process of recovering those cal dallas stars and starting to reuse them as kind of a cultural preservation effort led by individuals, they found they know longer match the signals around them, the climate signals around them. so they reached out to the climate community to ask essentially we have this historic tradition of revising our understanding based on our experience and we would like to incorporate climate science in that historic tradition. and that is a great, i think, example of what you just talked about. >> i have sort of a nonresponse-response, which is the local knowledge is often confused by what i would call the national knowledge. and this is as a consumer of information about climate change from national publications. if you just watch the drum beat of fear mongering that comes along, it's often-- it often creates more confusion than anything else. not putting time scales on predictions, you know, three meters of sea level rise, or the other thing i think that often happens is that the local level is brou