but i found that by listening to cal tjader, and miles davis, and wes montgomery, and shirley horn, and nancy wilson, it opened up a portal of light that created the sense of possibility that didn't exist before. and it never occurred to me that i could think differently about the same set of events, but with the imposition of this music, it became a form of hope. and i learned to translate the music into sugar, like a flower converts light into sugar. that became food for me. >> hinojosa: and you know what? you've actually changed me, just in your whole analysis of jazz. i mean, i think i always knew this, but you've essentially said, "look, the amazing thing about jazz is that you have silence, and then you have the ability of jazz artists to actually fill that silence with multiple layers of something experiential . >> and complex, and enriching, and affirmative, so that i learn to take the music of cal tjader and miles, nancy wilson, and it actually colored the picture that was in my head. so i could be looking at this cup, for example, in black and white, and i could hear this musi