as you know, i was a sister with the missionary of the charity, the sisters of mother teresa of calcuttahn paul is said to have proposed to mother teresa that she become a cardinal. it would require a slight shift in church law, but no church -- no shift in dogma, no church shift in church doctrine. i think moving to appoint a woman cardinal, several women cardinals, would be a step in the right direction that this new pope could make. >> i know, brian, you don't agree with that. but the -- francis has said he's going to be a reformer. and some people say that just means reforming the vatican, which is obviously significant, and i don't mean to imply that it isn't. but when you hear the word "reform" as someone who is very conservative, what do you want it to mean? >> i think more than anything else, it means a reform of our hearts. and he's a man who i believe truly lives the gospel. he takes a bus to work. he lives in a simple apartment. and i think he is someone who really incarnates the full gospel of jesus. and i think as he does that, he'll be able to touch people's hearts. and tha