califano, and get larry o'brien, which i did. and we went to convince him. can, you know, just back off. let us get this bill out of committee. but, no, he didn't do it. and we ended up, we lost. we got the first three things. we got -- we didn't get registration of guns and licensing of gun owners. to propose that today, it would be laughed at. and i have to tell you, when i look at all the proposals, a little better background check, we're going to be a little more careful about it, we're going to provide, you know, get an authorization, then you've got to get -- it's not a battle where you get one vote. i want these kids to get some kind of a law. i hope they do. but it's, you know, while we applaud them, there's another army, smaller, but it's a lot richer working to make this different. than they want. >> so i'm going to finish i'm not a pundit, but i'm going to say something punditry here. so, in other words, i'm reading into what you just said. a little bit of glimpse of optimism that this can be done. >> the guns? >> yes