and those two that came from state agencies both came from the california epa. there's almost no state agency that is more dispadispair -- disparate from our state's reference than the california epa. the only state that is more disparate is the u.s. epa. we feel that this scientific committee has no expertise in our water jurisdiction concerns, quality, quantity. and as i said at the beginning of my remarks, there is just no rule that terrifies us more. thank you, mr. chairman. i yield back. >> thank you, ms. lummis. hopefully staff got that list and you'll be able to respond to that. >> it looks like we'll be able to get it somehow. i tried to write them all down. thank you. >> thank you, ms. lummis. now it's finally my turn. i have two letters i wish to put into the record without objection? if there is afternoon objectin going to be really worried. from the electrical association of arizona and sand and gravel association. no objection? so ordered. it's been fascinating to listen to this because -- and i should disclose about six weeks ago right down the hal

those two that came from state agencies both came from the california epa. there's almost no state agency that is more desperate from our tribes, our counties, than the california epa. the only other agency that is more desperate is the u.s. epa. so in other words, we really feel from the west that this scientific committee has no expertise in our water jurisdiction, concerns, quantities, quality, and we as i said at the beginning of the remarks, there's just no rule that terrifies us more. thank you mr. chairman. i yield back. >> thank you. hopefully staff got that list and you will be able to respond. >> it looks like we'll be able to get it somehow. i tried to write them all down. thank you. >> all right. thank you. now it's finally my turn. i have two letters i wish to put into the record without objection, if there's an objection i will be really worried. from my ayingation electrical districts associations of arizona and national stone and sand and graph evel association. it's opinion fascinating to listen to this. six weeks ago right down the hall we

disparate from my state, our tribes, our counties, our water regulators' frame of reference than the california epa. the only other agency that is more disparate is the u.s. epa. so, in other words, we really feel from the west that this scientific committee has no expertise in our water jurisdiction, concerns, quantity, quality, and we, as i said at the beginning of my remarks, there's just no rule that terrifies us more. thank you, mr. chairman. i yield back. >> thank you, miss lummis. and hopefully staff got that list, and you'll be able to respond. >> it looks like we'll be able to get it somehow. i tried to write them all down. >> i'll make sure that your folks have this list. >> thank you. >> thank you, miss lummis. and now it's finally my turn, and i have two letters i wish to put into the record without objection. seeing we're the last two here, if there's an objection, i'm going to be really worried. from my irrigational electrical districts of arizona and national stone and sand and gravel association. no objection, so ordered. it's been fascinating listening to this because -- and i shou

he came from california and appointed epa and his first role was to do what? to fire all the lawyers. he didn't want to have any loss and forced and if you don't have enforcement e-mails will shut down. without enforcement the law may be perfect but if your not willing to follow the law forget it. this is what we need to do therefore, stop the revolving door, create an independent library that will do the testing honestly and make the epa independent. give them the appropriate amount of money in the budget and they can do the work the way they have known to do it. if you do that then i think we are in good shape. the alternative is to continue the system as is and the system as is unfortunately is really a huge price on human health and ecological disaster. one and 100 babies born have heart problems. there is almost -- also a tremendous amount of cancer among children in their logical problems in all sorts of other things that cause tremendous anxiety and pain on the part of the parents. why is all of this taking place? because it's what we eat and breathe en

we urge the epa technologies realities just as the waxman markey bill did, just as the etf does in the state of california. it is for this reason we request that the epa perform makeover leakage analysis to assess the carmen impact on our industry. in the current leakage cost could be subtracted from the epa benefit calculations. because the proposal will regulate screen as gas emissions future regulations of greenhouse gases for the manufacturing sector. the rules president would require greenhouse gas production of of what we could reduce through manufacturing technology, equipment, and practices and be required to accept responsibility to achieve higher greenhouse gas reductions by reducing emissions outside north penciling. our customers are all over the world and not just in the u.s. deregulation imposes costs that aren't. >> our next speaker -- >> good morning. >> rev. coss. >> good morning. my name is in bridge chart. i am sierra club member and a concerned citizen. i think you for the attendees to speak in favor of a clean power plants and car rental. my city has been around for over 300 years. bu

epa approves it. so here it is. they are using completely untested chemical for three years all over california, let's say. or california and arizona, or california and nevada. huge expanses of land and rare. and they use -- area. and they use it for extended periods of time. the epa found that for in the period, for instance, from jimmy carter to 1983, the number of exceptions they had allowed had jumped over 100%. so the chemical industries are taking advantage of the very law that exists in the books to use untested chemicals. and what i said about the ibt, you had that ibt example puts into question the credibility of what we actually getting. because let's say i'm not -- [inaudible] i'm not telling you now that what happened from the '50s to '76 is being replicated. i don't know. but if this kind of improper practices hay well be continued. because epa was terrified by this example. and how do you solve it? i mean, how do you solve the problem? you have professional people working for everything pa, all with doctor's -- epa, all with doctor's degrees, and they had families, and they need to be promote

allowing them to do that and california was the first new jersey and new york hold on wait a minute ou're saying jeff that it wasn't the federal government through the epa right that created stricter well there were cafe standards and then there were states that went beyond that what standards? clear air clean standards yeah so new jersey... it's how many miles per gallon you're getting [laughter] so new jersey's one of 14 states that's gone beyond the federal government we've gone beyond? right so you're a tough critic and very demanding as to what you expect right for good reason absolutely you say new jersey has been better than most states in this area absolutely this governor not as much but yes but we've said in states you had to get that in there didn't you? of course [laughter] but talk about what has made us better in this area? because we adopted this standard that california and new york massachusetts did which not only makes our cars cleaner and burn more efficient it requires us to actually haqve a certain number of vehicles that become zero emmissions whether they're plugin electric or electric hybrids we've actually committed to putting t

epa to stand up to big oil. don't gut the renewable fuel standard. >>> earlier today a group of antiimmigration protesters in california waving flags and yelling go homelocking the arrival of buses carrying families of undocumented immigrants from south america. the families have been flown to san diego from texas. now officials from immigration and customs enforcement turned the buses around and sent them southbound back towards san diego. the president spoke about the influx of immigrant families particularly unaccompanied children showing up at the southern border. while he talked about using executive action to reform immigration instead of waiting around for congress looked at a speech of what he is thinking of doing with the growing crisis of unaccompanied minors. under the immigration laws of this country those minors are entitled to due process as was quick to point out the u.s. has domestic obligations to asylum seeking children including access to an attorney. the president is being accused of pushing to weaken those protections in a letter asking congress for help the president wrote he needed additional authority to exercise discretion in

the epa's proposal recognizes that what might work for delaware may not work for california, may not work for oklahoma, or alabama or mississippi or nebraska. but rather, your proposal allows each state the flexibility to find the most cost-effective way to reduce their own emissions. as my father would say, god rest his soul, that sounds like common sense to me. after working for more than a decade on legislative efforts to reduce carbon emissions from power plants, i applaud the epa's decision to set carbon targets that are meaningful, flexible, and feasible. let me close by saying i encourage the epa to continue to listen to the stakeholders, listen us to, and make adjustments as needed to ensure we get this one right. it's important we do. i look forward to today's discussion and future discussions on this rule. welcome and thank you. >> thank you, senator. senator sessions followed by senator merkley. >> thank you, madam chair. the american economy is important. i know you know that. we have a decline in median family wages in america since 2007 from $55,000 to 50. we have an em

california, may not work for a, or alabama or mississippi. rather your proposal allows each state the flexibility as my father would say, god rest his soul, that was common sense to me. the epa decision to set card targets that are meaningful, flexible, and feasible. bankers say epa to continue to listen and make adjustments as needed to insure that we get this ready. it is important that we do. l.a. for today's discussion on this rule. welcome and thank you. >> thank you, senator. senator sessions followed by senator murphy. >> thank you, madam share. the american economy is important. i know you know that. 55,000 to 50. we have an employment rate among the working age population as well as the 1970's and has been declining steadily. the energy has been a decline helping the american academy in recent years. the gasoline bill does weaken the economy. it does little benefit. we have to ask that. we can reach an accord on a lot of these issues. things that are cost-effective, clean, the efficiency of programs, things that probably are done and do to make america healthier and a stronger economy . last month to come the epa in supreme court said this, when an agency plans to d

california, may not work for a, or alabama or mississippi. rather your proposal allows each state the flexibility as my father would say, god rest his soul, that was common sense to me. the epa decision to set card targets that are meaningful, flexible, and feasible. bankers say epa to continue to listen and make adjustments as needed to insure that we get this ready. it is important that we do. l.a. for today's discussion on this rule. welcome and thank you. >> thank you, senator. senator sessions followed by senator murphy. >> thank you, madam share. the american economy is important. i know you know that. 55,000 to 50. we have an employment rate among the working age population as well as the 1970's and has been declining steadily. the energy has been a decline helping the american academy in recent years. the gasoline bill does weaken the economy. it does little benefit. we have to ask that. we can reach an accord on a lot of these issues. things that are cost-effective, clean, the efficiency of programs, things that probably are done and do to make america healthier and a stronger economy . last month to come the epa in supreme court said this, when an agency plans to d