they think their caliphate which is arab which is more legitimate than the ottoman caliphate was. they clearly believe the only legitimate religious belief is their particular harsh brand of sunni islam. any one who holds any other enos tense i bely muslim is liable to death or certainly exile. >> isis submerged from al qaeda or qi. abu zawahri started jihad. >> during operation iraqi freedom zawahri came the head of aqi that led coalition forces on the streets of fallujah from alkine. isis has been able to eclipse al qaeda primarily because they rule the state. they are not hiding caves in the margins of the islamic world. they have a lot of fellows with jihad, some afghanistan, many against our forces and iraqi government forces in iraq and many in syria. they put all of these together. when you add those to the fact that you states has not been there in any force for several years. >> the terrorist army of isis is estimated to have more than 30,000 fighters from 70 countries. the way they achieve the goals is terrific. >> it imposes strict sharia such as amputations for stealin

and the caliphate was eliminated. now they've established a caliphate. they are dead serious about expanding it. unless we begin to take back that ground and make this caliphate, you know irrelevant in the eyes of the muslim world or the radical muslim world we are going to have a bigger and bigger problem. so the key is to act promptly and to make sure that america is involved. we have to have -- i said today in my speech here at cpac we could put forth 10,000 troops in an advisory role, training role as well as to coordinate air strikes and to provide intelligence, all of these things are necessary to arm the kurds and to make sure that we get isis particularly out of mosul should be our first priority. >> you are specifically using a word that if used a couple years ago people literally would call you "looney tunes. you've been using the word caliphate. why do you think that's important versus what a lot of other people are saying islamic state or another version of what we think they're trying to accomplish? why is that word so important to you speci

lands must be taken, a caliphate established where. they must move to the land of the caliph. the army and infyiyinfydels will be drawn to the battlefields where there will be a bloody war and the end of the world will be initiated. this will happen. this must happen. the army of the islamic state hopes to be a part of it, an integ integral part. graham wood, author of the article in "the atlantic." he lays out what isis wants and how they plan to get and gives thought to what might work to stop it and what tactics would certainly make it more powerful. he writes, much of what the group does looks nonsensical expect in the light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh century legal environment. and ultimately, bringing about the apocalypse. graham wood has sat face-to-face with isis recruiters and supporters. for this article he spoke to professors and scholars from islam, from around the world, to find out exactly how this group is linked to religion. he lived and wrote in the middle east for several years. graham wood attended uni

and find and be part of the caliphate. then there is the group itself, which is advertising online all the time, on twitter, on social media, telling people come, the water is warm, come on in, and his beheadings were a key part of that messages campaign. so show power, really. if you remember, in all these videos, he's standing, holding his knife, wearing a holster. he's speaking and carrying himself with a swagger. he's calling president obama by just, you know, just referring to him as obama. and it shows power as his hostages kneeling, cowering in front of him in an orange jumpsuit about to be beheaded. i think that's what it's all about, for people who are angry, who want to see a change in the world, stand on its feet again. this group represents people who are taking action, and who won't say no, and are standing while their oppressors are kneeling, about to die. >> that's a very emphatic description. thank you very much, richard engel, over in istanbul. >>> i'm joined by the direct ovr of national security studies

they want a caliphate. now if only anyone in america knew what a caliphate was. okay. i'm just going to assume it's something those bad people shouldn't have. good. got the caliphate down. what are their other objectives? well, they're terrorists, which means all they want to do is attack the west. i mean, that's like middle east terrorism 101. >> islamic state militants captured a jordanian pilot. >> technically, jordan is west of iraq. man, it's starting to get confusing again. well, at least we can assume they're radical islamists, right? >> president obama defending his choice not to label the terrorism as an islamic state war on islam. >> you've got to be kidding me! let's go back to the basics. i'm going to be as simple as possible. their name is i.s.i.s. >> the obama administration isn't calling it'scies or even i.s.i.l. the name is changed. what are they calling these is a slag vajs? dash which -- daesh which is the original name. >> larry: screw this. they're an evil group killing in the name of religion, and we americans need to get on our high horse and kill

and the caliphate was eliminated. now they've established a caliphate.about expanding it. unless we begin to take back that ground and make this caliphate, you know irrelevant in the eyes of the muslim world or the radical muslim world we are going to have a bigger and bigger problem. so the key is to act promptly and to make sure that america is involved. we have to have -- i said today in my speech here at cpac we could put forth 10,000 troops in an advisory role, training role as well as to coordinate air strikes and to provide intelligence, all of these things are necessary to arm the kurds and to make sure that we get isis particularly out of mosul should be our first priority. >> you are specifically using a word that if used a couple years ago people literally would call you "looney tunes. you've been using the word caliphate. why do you think that's important versus what a lot of other people are saying islamic state or another version of what we think they're trying to accomplish? why is that word so important to you specifically? >> you know ba

in some ways they think their caliphate which is arab is more legitimate than the ott monday caliphateas which was turkish. isis clearly believes the only legitimate religious belief is their particular harsh brand of sunni islam. any one who holds any other belief, even offensively muslim is deemed a her tick and liable to death or certainly exile. >> isis emerged from the terror group al qaeda in iraq o aqi. the predecessor after that was a group abual zarqawi started. >> during operation iraqi freedom zarqawi became the head of aqi battling coalition forces in the streets of fallujah ramadi. >> isis has been able to eclipse al qaeda primarily by the fact they rule a state they are not hiding in caves in the margins of the islamic world. a lot of fellas who fought jihad some afghanistan many the armed forces iraq government forces in iraq and government forces of bish char in syria. when you put all of these together and add those to the fact that the united states has not been there in any force for several years. >> the terrorist army of isis is now estimated to have more than 30,0

armageddon type battles. >> so isis is still on this quest to establish a caliphate. but now it's using 21st century technology with the highest level of production to terrorize. let's bring in catherine herridge. now they're using this high production of all these video. >> social media has really become the life blood of the new digital jihad. it's like pouring gasoline on the fire of self-radicalization. and the new video showing the execution of the jordanian pilot really takes it to another level. it's 22 minutes long. it has multi layers of video, audio, and then the final scene at the execution and it has -- i don't know if you would agree, this almost video game like feel to it. >> done little video game stuff. i think one of the things that these guys have decided to do is to attract not just your average -- somebody who is a camel herder. they're looking to get into their organization as a part of it relatively well-educated, people who are technologically aware. they can do things with a iphone or blackberry or one of those devices and see essentially the h

i think the numbers are also up because of the caliphate.nd that has created a magnetism for those elements that want to be part of this, that want to support this, this emergence within their own sense of their faith. and so that has created a recruiting opportunity for isil that they had not had before. so we're going to continue to track those numbers. it's not just a matter of dealing with those numbers in the battle space. we're dealing with those numbers by virtue of taking other measures. as my testimony indicated, we operate along five lines of effort. the military line is one of them. another line where we'll be seeing more traction be realized as time goes on will be the consortium of nations that have taking the necessary steps to make it difficult to be recruited in a country, to transit out of that country and ultimately get to the battle space. plus, as isil, the so-called caliphate as it continues and receive blow after blow, using that to message what this organization is to decrease its attractiveness to other those that mig

destroy that's of the caliphate no longer exists? >> absolutely. >> we are talking about pretty much decimation. that is the word secretary kerry used. it's like nazi germany few people scattered around the world. decimation is not what i am hearing of you. >> you can apply whatever term you would like to. decimation is clearly one of the terms we would apply to it. we want them to have no operational capability which means breaking them up into small organizations which do not have the capacity to define a threat. >> to find small organization. i am trying to get some sense of what we mean by defeat. it sounds great. are we talking about taking 30,000 down to 500? 30,000 down to 1000 broken up into different groups? >> it we will take time and we will ultimately be realized in a number of ways. breaking up the organization through connecticut and military surface terrestrial means, take time to reduce the message and attractiveness that gives it the capacity to regenerate forces, take time to denied access to the international finan

world over that have not had a caliphate are for nearly a half century. neil: something different is going on here, i always think of organizations like this, are just gathering fighters and soldiers, but one feels like they are filling their back office to what end. >> it is a real state a real government in the territory on governs, they need the doctors lawyers and ocount ants, they are called from all over the world, as many as 20,000 have come from other country including 3,000 from western countries of western europe -- neil: where are they going? >> the caliphate now spans territory that used to be long to what was iraq and syria. both of those iranian puppet regimes, but that is where they are, that is where they are going. their central strong hold a place called rocka in northern syria. neil: scary stuff clair thank you. >> just call it the pause that refreshes, since a texas judge put a temporary halt to the president's -- tea partyer said that republicans should get working. what do you moon by that? -- what do you mean by that? >> well, they

and the work caliphate. we are dealing with a caliphate at least as they imagine it.he state has borders. every state knows that at some point there are borders and seeking to define those orders. a caliphate does not have borders. they see themselves as extending as far as it can go. you have to worry. we talk about isis or isil in syria and iraq. what keeps it from moving into jordan, the peninsula and egypt? what about lebanon? we have to ask ourselves -- we cannot imagine this is a problem being contained in the remote desert area. it is spreading and will continue to spread unless it shrinks and ultimately goes away. you have to do that in a shock and all campaign -- awe campaign. you have to do it mindful that we are not going to have a permanent solution in iraq syria -- not one we are politically or militarily willing to impose. what we can do is change the military dynamic. let's not imagine our problem is simply isis. we also have a problem with the syrians and the irradiance. -- iranians. how it the ukraine a space that those syrians that don't want to be m

these are younger individuals who want to go to the caliphate. the thing that isis is offering different than al qaeda when they reach out through the social media is a place. come join us in syria. we will make a home for you. >> a physical location. >> a physical location. that's exactly right. and so that is what the isis sort of slogan is. come join us. it could be for fighting. in many cases in this case that seems to be the narrative they were attracted to. but it could also be for other things that we've seen in other cases, whether it's nursing or running a household or being part of a family. and so it's very much tied to this idea of the caliphate, which was something that bin laden talked about a great deal in the early years. >> what's your take david? how much of this is just grandiose talk with these three young people. although one is 30 years old. so been an adult for awhile technically speaking. or were these actionable threats they were making? >> they did make these statements online. but again, there's no evidence that i know

muhammad and there hasn't been a caliphate since the collapse of the ottoman empire. they're basically saying he's the guy, not only the leader of isis but the leader of all muslims around the world. it's a very large claim and 99.9% of the world's muslims wouldn't agree with it. but unfortunately a small minority do. >> do you believe the leaders of the -- of this coalition, the united states and all of the others including the friendly moderate arab states they really understand what is motivating isis right now? >> i think we're having this white house conference as you know wolf, going on right now about countering violent extremism. and the administration is being careful not to talk about islamist extremism. but i think that's kind of a strange decision because at the end of the day, this group does subscribe to a corpus of beliefs that can be found with a highly selective reading of the koran and also of the sayings of the prophet muhammad and to stay otherwise is just to ignore the facts. >> how do you defeat this threat of isis? how do you destroy it? >> wolf

it's to continue the caliphate. they want a real caliphate. not the fake one 1,000 years ago. they want a global caliphate going forward. the president's saying things like jv team or don't overinflate their importance. does that help -- what's the strategy? >> i understand what he's trying to do, which is to say trust in law enforcement. we've got a handle on this. nobody needs to panic. we've got a handle on it. i just think in some ways he's a little bit too lukewarm right? he's trying to be too cool. >> right. >> when people want to know that he's exercised about it. i'm sure that he is. i know they take threats to innocent people in america very seriously. this is an interesting thing today. it's the beginning of what i think will be a series. we will see these types of incidents a lot in the future because the online recruiting for the caliphate is something we've never dealt with before. and even if it turns out that these three in brooklyn are maybe not that sophisticated maybe not very smart perhaps they couldn't have ever actually pulled this off. that will be what t

and the future of the so-called caliph is very much in doubt.ause we lack the same kind of partners on the ground in syria, the situation there is more challenging and more complex. still, we're working closely with regional partners to establish sites for training and equipping vetted and moderate syrian opposition elements to train approximately 5,000 troops per year for the next three years. these and other military aspects of the campaign will inevitably receive the most attention. but as i've seen in the four previous coalition efforts in which i've been involved, it will ultimately be the aggregate pressure of the campaign activity over multiple mutually supporting lines of effort that will determine the campaign's success. this is why when i visit a coalition capital when i meet with the prime minister or a king or a president, i describe the coalition's counterisil strategy as being organized around multiple lines of effort. the military line to deny safe haven and provide security assistance, disrupting the flow of foreign fighters disr

we are dealing with a caliphate, at least as they imagine it.ery state knows at some point there are borders and it's seeking to define them. a caliphate a does not have borders it sees itself extending as so far as it can go. so you have to worry -- now we talk about i.s.i.s., i.s.i.l whatever you want to call it, in syria and iraq. what keeps it from moving into jordan? what keeps it from moving into the sinai peninsula in egypt? it is already moving into those places. what about lebanon? so we have to ask ourselves -- we can't imagine this is a problem contained many a remote desert area. it is spreading and will continue to spread unless it is made to slink and ultimately goes away. >> charlie: how do you do that? >> i think you have to do it in sort of a shock and awe campaign. you need to take the initiative away from i.s.i.s., but you have to do it by the way mindful, okay, that we are not going to have a permanent solution in iraq, in syria, certainly not one that we are politically or militarily willing to impose. what we can do is chan

tough deny them this physical manifestation of a caliphate.hat means boots on the ground. >> that means killing them. >> yeah. >> as much as the president and his team try to tout the power of jobs and this idea of diplomacy with the enemy, they saw fit enough to kill one of the top recruiters in afghanistan with a drone last week. kennedy? >> the president loves drones. about secretary kerry, i think what he was trying to do is tie the crime rate to national security and safety. i really do. i think the argument he has been making there has been a radical drop in violent crime and homicide and assault. even you know, grand theft in this country. i think if he uses those statistics somehow it might bolster the national security image. >> the average life expectancy of an american citizen increase too. you're right, that has nothing to do we roomty of the threats. >> isn't that because they treat this as a criminal problem? >> yes. >> they talked about isis and they talked about it like it's a law enforcement issue here in new york right? as if

they all want the caliphate. they all have the shared goal of working together to establish the caliphate. how do they respond to seeing little kids and women now tying into the unemployment issue? >> >> these guys are sexual pimps and fanatics and recruiting girls to be sex slaves. they rape them impregnant them and raise and brain wash the kids to become hitler youth. i am a dad and you worry about your kids joining a sority or whatever and now you worry about a death cult in syria. >> we took out a former leader of al-qaeda in afghanistan and we know they are growing in pockets where they can try to access greater resources and funds. it isn't all they have the same thing in mind. they don't want to be part of the same caliphate but they want to fight over the same resources. it is really true. >> jesse, i am sure you would be happier with your daughter running off with a rock star than anyone in isis. >> wisconsin governor scott walker slamming the media's got you questions. what we was asked in an interview,

isis calls its child soldiers lion cubs of the caliphate. it celebrates them in propaganda videos like this one. children are trained to use a rifle, given classes in religion, and taught to love isis and hate its enemies. then the children are sent into combat. for khaled that day came sooner than he expected. his camp was attacked only two weeks after he had first picked up a gun. four isis fighters were killed. khaled was shot in the neck. he was terrified and he missed home. his mother heard he had been wounded and she found him at the isis camp. >> what did she say to you? >> translator: she said "take care of yourself." >> he can't continue telling his story without crying. two months later, he managed to escape across the border to turkey. he now lives in hiding sleeping in a cheap hotel. >> what would you say to a young person who came up to you and said i'm thinking about joining isis. >> translator: i will tell him my whole story. i will tell him don't do it. >> that remarkable interview for nbc news today. whether it is boys from

i think the numbers are also up because of the caliphate. and that has created a magnetism for those elements that want to be part of this, that want to support this, this emergence within their own sense of their faith. and so that has created a recruiting opportunity for isil that they had not had before. so we're going to continue to track those numbers. it's not just a matter of dealing with those numbers in the battle space. we're dealing with those numbers by virtue of taking other measures. as my testimony indicated, we operate along five liebs of effort. the military line is one of them. another line where we'll be seeing more traction be realized as time goes on will be the consortion of nations that have taking the necessary steps to make it difficult to be recruited in a country, to transit out of that country and ultimately get to the battle space. plus, as isil, the so-called caliphate as it continues and receive blow after blow, using that to message what this organization is to decrease its attractiveness to other those that m

troubled soul come to the caliphate. you will live the life of glory. these are the aokpocalyptic end times. if you can't come kill somebody where you are. >> the man arrested in florida is awaiting a march 3rd court date. if convicted they face up to 15 years in prison. >> with terror threats getting close to home there's worry about our readiness and strategy in don't feetefeating isis. >> these arrests need to be a wake-up call for the white house. >> this brings us a point that most americans recognize. isis is a big threat, a direct tlit to the united states. we need to define who the enemy is in this case islamic radical terrorists and put together a strategy incorporating all american power offense and defense that will defeat isis. we are fraught we are not getting the response from the administration. we are not getting the president and administration to level with us. we are talking about threats in the climate change and it is one of the biggest thets they live we have to talk about the threat they have who o

you will fight for our caliphate. if you cannot come kill somebody where you are. >> the house and senate will hear testimony on the isis terror threat from high level officials. >>> activists say isis has kidnapped far more christian villagers than we knew. more than 220 according to two human rights organizations. families are awaiting word of the fate of the women and children and elderly kidnapped from the syrianfficials is facing more setbacks in anbar province. for the latest let's bring in ian lee. bring us up to speed on what they think happened to the christian families. >> reporter: good morning. horrible news from syria. it took place when isis advanced on the string of christian villages fighting the militia there and the ypg kurdish fighters. not much is known about the fate of the people. with a what we have seen past isis told christians to run or die. female captives have been sold into sex slavery and even young girls as well. it doesn't look good for the captives. we heard that there are more that ha

the state of the islamic caliphate is what they'd like to be called. islamic state for short.daesh. it's an acronym, and it translates as the islamic state in iraq and the lavants, the name they used before they declared their caliphate last summer. but many arabic speakers simply call them daesh. why do they hate it? it sounds like other words, like one that means to stomp on something. they want the full name of their alleged state to be shared with the world. there's a push in the west to start calling them daesh, to deny them the legitimacy islamic state implies. france has already started doing that and so have some u.s. officials. how about other names we use in english? isis or isil? their name islamic state leaves geography out of the mix, since their ambitions aren't limited to a specific territory. but can anyone really call them an islamic state? they hold land, which is one of the attributes of a state, and they have what to some amounts to a government but they're not internashly recognized ago a state, just a terror group. and there's no proof that they are islam

you will find meaning fighting for the caliphate. if you can't come kill somebody where you are. >> the house and senate will hear testimony on the isis terror threat level from high-level officials. >> some of the most frank and clear explanation i have seen yet. >>> in northeastern syria, isis has kidnapped far more christian villages than we knew. more than 220 people according to two human rights organizations. families are awaiting word of the fate of the women, children and elderly. kidnapped from dozens of syrian villages. advocates say they fear the worst. for the latest i want to bring in cnn's ian lee. what are we hearing from the human rights groups and officials about what happened to these christians? >> reporter: good morning, christine. yes, the fate is unknown at this time. we know isis militants launched their attack from the southwest of the villages and mountain area taking a number of christian towns fighting off ypg kurdish fighters and christian militias. they were able to take these hostages people who could no

they said they're going to impose a caliphate that goes all the way from the -- all the lands of the muslims once occupied from the middle east to spain. they have a clear etiology and a clear objective. you cannot debate those objectives and show why they're bad if you won't even name the etiology. this is what the problem with their refusal to say this is. >> mark good to see you. >> thanks, megyn. >> an ominous warning about a am doing storm that cannot be ignored. >>> a crowd of angry union protesters descend on governor scott walker's house. where they proceeded to yell at the governor's elderly parents. in a kelly file exclusive scott walker is here live to react on whether a new line has been crossed. >>> the president is vowing a fight after a court just halted his executive order on immigration. tonight senator ted cruz on why he thinks the president's plan is now going nowhere. >> with respect to the ruling, i disagree with it. i think the law is on our side. and history is on our side. and we are going to appeal it. >>> breaking tonight, a growing chorus of christian leade

you will find a life of meaning here fighting for our so-called caliphate.nd if you can't come kill somebody where you are. >> reporter: around the world it is estimated some 25,000 people have travelled to become isil foreign fighters. many of them analysts say, young and naive. >> they just want to go. they are not talking about coming back. they are not that sophisticated in their thinking. they buy this idea of a caliphate. >> reporter: an idea inspiring even the unsophisticated to want to wage holy war. a lawyer for the youngest member of the brooklyn three calls the government tactics in this case ham fisted. he said a paid government inform worked over his client and even helped him get papers. >> paul thank you. >>> joining me now is a former deputy under secretary for intelligence and analysis operations at the department of homeland security. jack good to see you again. what about these arrest of these guys in new york is interesting to you? >> well this is a very -- an interesting case. these -- these individuals probableably weren't the most soph

the ultimate utopian vision of both groups is to establish the caliphate, anchored in the islamic lawthe utopian vision you might say the ideal vision. the only difference between al qaeda central and the islamic state is that the islamic state is that al-baghdadi has declared himself the strauk state but the difference is to misread the entire basically strategy and ideology and tactics of the so-called islamic state since establishment in the last two years or so. >> and that is fascinating. and michael to pick on what he is talking about, the near enemy and the far enemy and the differences in al qaeda and the differences is the islamic state has been far more successful in establishing itself and rooting itself into a broader territory. we knew about the parts of syria and iraq and they have taken over like mosul and iraq and now they are establishing in places like libya where there were other territory groups the west was worried about. this is worrisome, is it not, that this group is as an army is fairly successful in holding actual territory more than al qaeda has? >> that is

the self proclaimed caliph wants to appear to be leading muslims in this apocalyptic war against the west and christianity and obama doesn't want to play on those terms, doesn't want to enhance his standing and accept his frame. the other is that we have to be very sensitive about the perception in the muslim world that there is some degree of anti-muslim animus in the united states, that is there is some kind of war against muslims and that america cares less about muslim lives is quicker to bomb muslim countries. i think that's a sensitivity. the third, i think the president sincerely believes something that is statistically true which is that terrorism and violent extremism in this country is not predominantly muslim. we have all kinds of terror attacks by people of all stripes. you have christian radicals, people with obscure agendas. a guy who flew a small plane into a building i think in arizona several years ago. so a lot of this extremism that we want to target people who may be starting to lose it, people who we want communities to be keeping an eye on are not necessarily mu

trouble soul come to the life of caliphate. you will find a life of meaning here fighting for our so-called caliphate. and if you can't come kill somebody where you are. >> joining me now are congressman brian higgins, democrat of new york serving on the homeland security committee and michael sheehan, head of operations at the pentagon. thank you for being here. >> good to be here. >> congressman, how concerned are you about the people in the u.s. and the people in the u.s. going to fight for isis? >> well we are very concerned. obviously the isis propaganda machine is working. it's drawing people to syria, to iraq. but they are being told explicitly if they can't make that trip to undertake home-grown terrorism. this is a real problem. the good thing is our counterterrorism officials are working diligently and in counterterrorism you never get credit for what didn't happen. >> congressman, we just heard the fbi director say, and you repeat, they are told if they can't get to the states to kill people where you are? >> that's

. >>> and the cyber caliphate claims allegiance with isis hacked into the twitter account of news week. they said the account was hijacked for 14 minutes an during that time they changed the account's header and tweeted offensive messages to michelle obama and the first familiar. and let's to laithal cowery. and whether they call themselves the cyber caliphate, and whether they believe they have any actual links to isis. >> so far we don't believe it has actual official allegiance or affiliation with isis. it appears that it is run by supporters who have some hacking skills. it doesn't appear the hacking skills are advanced, but at this point we can only see that it supports isis and it is a view of part of the ever expanding caliphate and it has launched a few attacks in the past couple of months targeting western and proshia websites but again it doesn't seem to be highly sophisticated. >> and let's talk about now we do have this confirmation that kayla mueller has been killed still a lot of disbelief including the government of jordan, that it was the jordanians at fault for her dea

you have to show it's false, that there's no paradise at the caliphate caliphate.be prison or death. that's how you have to do it. >> thanks so much. that's a wrap at this hour. i'll be back at noon today with another edition of the show. right now stay tuned to up with steve kornacki. good job! still running in the morning? yeah. getting your vegetables every day? when i can. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. two full servings of vegetables for only 50 delicious calories. ideas come into this world ugly and messy. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful. [alarms blaring] ohhhhh... whoa whoa whoa! who's responsible for this?!? if something goes wrong, you find a scapegoat. ...rick. it's what you do. ahhhhhhhh! what'd you say? uh-oh! kelly! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. rick. don't walk away from me. ahhhhhhhh! i have the worst cold with this runny nose. i better take

they said they're going to impose a caliphate that goes all the way from the -- all the lands of the muslims once occupied from the middle east to spain. they have a clear etiology and a clear objective. you cannot debate those objectives and show why they're bad if you won't even name the etiology. this is what the problem with their refusal to say this is. >> mark good to see you. >> thanks, megyn. >> an ominous warning about a am doing storm that cannot be ignored. >>> a crowd of angry union protesters descend on governor scott walker's house. where they proceeded to yell at the governor's elderly parents. in a kelly file exclusive scott walker is here live to react on whether a new line has been crossed. >>> the president is vowing a fight after a court just halted his executive order on immigration. tonight senator ted cruz on why he thinks the president's plan is now going nowhere. >> with respect to the ruling, i disagree with it. i think the law is on our side. and history is on our side. and we are going to appeal it. ♪ bring your vision for the future to life. for more than

there was a caliphate once before. the last caliphate died 90 years ago. britain and france were at war with it. and we were very worried. what would be the impact on all muslims in india or egypt and so on when we are fighting the most powerful muslim state. commander of the faithful. you know what? no problem at all. 400,000 british muslims flocked, all of them volunteers in the first world war because the british brand was stronger than the caliphate. because they like us when we win. >> and straight ahead homeland security secretary jay johnson playing defense for president obama. you will hear what secretary johnson said about the president's refusal to link isis with radical islam. we are hearing from the family of american hostage kayla mueller. they say the bergdahl five swap killed any hopes of a deal for mueller's release. hear from the family coming up. he is at it it again. just how stupid does obama architect jonathan gruber really think americans are. now he is in hot water. that's coming up. you drop 40 grand on a new set of wheels, then...

it's created a caliphate, and that's crucial to its appeal. this is not a transnational terrorist group. this is an actual attempt to create a military reality, to say we have the future, it is an islamic return to the past. and it's here and now and working. that gives it a target to be attacked, and if we can keep that in -- i don't think they're expanding on the ground in syria and iraq. the offshoot the in libya or egypt these are opportunistic infections of environments that are very disrupted and disordered. it's not an expansion of the main isis territory. in fact we may see -- >> it's still expansion of the isis ideology -- >> this is the question can the isis ideology and brand expand and thrive even if the home base is checked and eventually crushed in. >> interesting point. >> this is an interesting question. we don't know. they have to contain it while at the same time pushing it back without getting sucked in on the ground its own war. that's the challenge. >> on the notion of containment, we had scholar aaron david miller talking

they were creating the caliphate, or so they said. al qaeda was never creating the caliphate. al qaeda had as far as jihadists are concerned one successful operation and that was 9/11 and then afterwards it was basically a story of failure. isis is creating the caliphate, creating a state. it is recreating something that people in thousands of years will be talking about. that's what recruits are being told. to some of them who do not have very significant lives, that is something very powerful and empowering. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> coming up this time even florida isn't being spared. frigid cold from niagara falls to miami, here to stay. nearly 200 million people are affected. our cnn reporters are coming up next. >>> plus rudy giuliani not apologizing after saying president obama does not love america. today, the former mayor is going even further in defending his remarks. why the former new york city mayor says his comments are not racist. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the clou