calli shell and the way she did herself with gore was a prime example of just a bad photographer -- i mean, bad is good now, y'all -- she could shoot like crazy, get stuff done, tell a story. i mean, she was a heroine to me in the photography world. it is how the other people act around you that you got to make sure you don't act like them, okay? you had to keep yourself grounded. look in the mirror and go, am i doing the right thing? and then let people make fun of you so you know you're grounded. when they're messing with you, you're human, okay? >> that's a great question. you know, during my time with the digital photography becoming so prevalent and the internet exploding, 24-hour cable and the demand for images became great where my office was always being pounded for images. and i was always a part of the process in terms of just generating lots of selections for photos to be released, but that decision was made by -- the final decisions were made by the communications office. and they would decide on photos that would be released, and sometimes i would argue with them in terms