. >> then we get back to the issue and i've had discussion with those in the calpers, when you divest you lose your seat at the table to engage and change. i want to stick to the premise of divest because we can find something to invest in that could be better. and one tough thing for us as a board is hitting our bogie and now inflation protection that some of these companies provided us. that wntd to -- that went to alan's comment of can we hit what we want out the and can we be judicious in finding other areas because i don't think we'll get that in the private sector. >> the point of restricting the universe of investment in uncertain future returns, you don't know where the returns are going to come from, you can impair your future returns. our board feels strongly about this initiative. they went after exxon and got the sovereign funds and everybody got to the point of saying we have to do something. it's like galvanizing on dick's sporting goods and lots of funds would say when i went to the berlin for the e.s.g. initiative, they said why did you leave your seat at the table. no