. >> rose: in writing about you, calvin tompkins said in choosing campbell the trustees were banking on his clear-headed vision on how to balance the met's scholarly interkt its fund-raising needs, and its obligations to a vast and rapidly chag audience. they were also empressed by his quiet self-confidence. does that ring true to you? >> i was a scholar, and probably other people have to say the rest. i mean, i went to-- i came to the met in '95 because my predecessor, philippe, had built it up into this engine of scholarship. it had the funding. it had the spaces. critically it had the sophisticated audiences that really wanted these great exhibitions. for me as a scholar in my field, european tapestry, i saw it as this great place to go and realize that, to share my passion with other people. and when i became director, that was very much kind of-- i've done that. i was happy to go on doing it, but now what i want to do is allow my colleagues to go on doing it and take it out further. >> rose: did you decide, did you say, look, philippe was who he is and had those dual roles there

charlie: calvin tompkins said, in choosing campbell, trustees were banking on his clearheaded vision of how to balance the met's scholarly integrity, fundraising needs, and obligations to a vast and rapidly changing audience. they are impressed by his quiet self-confidence. does that ring true? dr. campbell: i was a scholar. other people have to say the rest. inent, i came to the met 1995 because my predecessor, felipe, had built an engine of scholarship. it had the funding, it had the spaces, and critically, it had the audience, the sophisticated audience that really wanted these great exhibitions. for me, as a scholar, in my field of european tapestry, eyesight is a great place to go and realize that, to share my passion with other people. when i became director, that was iry much kind of, i thought, have done that. i am happy to go on doing it, but now, what i want to do is allow my colleagues to go on doing it, and take it out further. charlie: did you decide and say, hilippe had dual roles. therefore, what i have to do is define my own identity as a leader of the met gekko -- dr